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		By: Demosthenes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29150</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yhamir,

You said: &lt;I&gt;&#039;Morally Israel doesn&#039;t have a leg to stand on&#039;&lt;/I&gt;

I say: &lt;b&gt; Moral and Muslim said in the same breath constitutes an oxymoron. From the Paedophile Prophet to the Prophets of Death Islam has come full circle, and it is time that somebody did the bidding and kissed the &#039;Kult of Death&#039; Goodbye!&lt;/b&gt;

You said:&lt;i&gt;&#039; Israel continued to violate Lebanon&#039;s sovereignty.....&#039;&lt;/i&gt;

I say: &lt;b&gt; If you were to go by Prime Minister Siniora&#039;s statement Lebanon is unable to control the Hezzies......in other words......Lebanon is a non-entity......so wheredoes this sovereignity stuff come in? Or is it something that is to be taken out only when Israel hits back.&lt;/b&gt;

You said:&lt;i&gt;&#039;Israel fundamentally thinks that it can militarily negotiate a settlement, so that it doesn&#039;t have to give up land it stole. &lt;/i&gt;

I say:&lt;b&gt;When have the Arabs ever understood the language of reason? The Arab mind has for the past half century lived in a state of denial, one born out of sheer impotence and incompetence rather than any external factor.  And so far as the stealing part goes,wouldn&#039;t you agree that the Arab themselves are invaders in all of the Levant and all the other places of the world where &#039;Kult of Death&#039; finds it&#039;s adherents? Reclaiming the land from the forces of darkenss is what the Israelis have done. Atleast they have the only cultured state in the whole of the middle east which is administered by rule of law!&lt;/b&gt;

You said:&lt;i&gt;&#039;Israel started this war....&#039;&lt;/i&gt;

I say:&lt;b&gt; Not anymore than Nassrallah is a reasonable man. He and his fellow adherents of the &#039;Kult of Death&#039; need to be rewarded with the ultimate aim of their religion: A prompt meeting with Allah!


Whether Israel does it today or the U.S. is forced to do it tommorow or the Oh-So-Gentle Europeans the day after is a mere statistic!

With fervent hopes for the Apocalypse for the &#039;Kult of Death&#039;&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yhamir,</p>
<p>You said: <i>&#8216;Morally Israel doesn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on&#8217;</i></p>
<p>I say: <b> Moral and Muslim said in the same breath constitutes an oxymoron. From the Paedophile Prophet to the Prophets of Death Islam has come full circle, and it is time that somebody did the bidding and kissed the &#8216;Kult of Death&#8217; Goodbye!</b></p>
<p>You said:<i>&#8216; Israel continued to violate Lebanon&#8217;s sovereignty&#8230;..&#8217;</i></p>
<p>I say: <b> If you were to go by Prime Minister Siniora&#8217;s statement Lebanon is unable to control the Hezzies&#8230;&#8230;in other words&#8230;&#8230;Lebanon is a non-entity&#8230;&#8230;so wheredoes this sovereignity stuff come in? Or is it something that is to be taken out only when Israel hits back.</b></p>
<p>You said:<i>&#8216;Israel fundamentally thinks that it can militarily negotiate a settlement, so that it doesn&#8217;t have to give up land it stole. </i></p>
<p>I say:<b>When have the Arabs ever understood the language of reason? The Arab mind has for the past half century lived in a state of denial, one born out of sheer impotence and incompetence rather than any external factor.  And so far as the stealing part goes,wouldn&#8217;t you agree that the Arab themselves are invaders in all of the Levant and all the other places of the world where &#8216;Kult of Death&#8217; finds it&#8217;s adherents? Reclaiming the land from the forces of darkenss is what the Israelis have done. Atleast they have the only cultured state in the whole of the middle east which is administered by rule of law!</b></p>
<p>You said:<i>&#8216;Israel started this war&#8230;.&#8217;</i></p>
<p>I say:<b> Not anymore than Nassrallah is a reasonable man. He and his fellow adherents of the &#8216;Kult of Death&#8217; need to be rewarded with the ultimate aim of their religion: A prompt meeting with Allah!</p>
<p>Whether Israel does it today or the U.S. is forced to do it tommorow or the Oh-So-Gentle Europeans the day after is a mere statistic!</p>
<p>With fervent hopes for the Apocalypse for the &#8216;Kult of Death&#8217;</b></p>
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		By: nyomythus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29149</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another potential discrepancy of the facts from Hezbollah massacre at Qana &lt;a href=http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745828.html&gt;at Haaretz.com&lt;/a&gt;

“Lebanese hospital: Number of casualties from Qana air strike is 28, not 52…”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another potential discrepancy of the facts from Hezbollah massacre at Qana <a href=http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745828.html>at Haaretz.com</a></p>
<p>“Lebanese hospital: Number of casualties from Qana air strike is 28, not 52…”</p>
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		By: nyomythus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29148</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 05:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[tequilamockingbird -- put-the-crack-pipe ----down]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tequilamockingbird &#8212; put-the-crack-pipe &#8212;-down</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29147</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yhamir, you still haven&#039;t proven that no attacks were launched by Hezbollah until AFTER the IDF started bombing Lebanon.

No, it&#039;s not a given. Prove it first.
My proof to the contrary includes Hezbollah&#039;s attack on Israel in October 2000, just five months after the last IDF soldier left Lebanon. They kidnapped three soldiers stationed in Israel, one of whom, Omar Suaaed, was a Muslim, and all three of whom were executed without trial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yhamir, you still haven&#8217;t proven that no attacks were launched by Hezbollah until AFTER the IDF started bombing Lebanon.</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not a given. Prove it first.<br />
My proof to the contrary includes Hezbollah&#8217;s attack on Israel in October 2000, just five months after the last IDF soldier left Lebanon. They kidnapped three soldiers stationed in Israel, one of whom, Omar Suaaed, was a Muslim, and all three of whom were executed without trial.</p>
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		By: stumbley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29146</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But one side is fighting for justice. And that&#039;s obvious. The other is trying to conquer and destroy. &quot;

Yes, but Israel is the one fighting for justice. If Israel had wanted to &quot;conquer and destroy&quot; Lebanon and/or Palestine, they would have done it long ago. This continued whining and moaning of Arabs about &quot;occupation&quot; completely ignores 5,000 years of history. Face it, the UN allowed and provided for the creation of Israel in 1948. Everything else that&#039;s happened since then has been an attempt by Arabs to negate and destroy Israel. Any thinking person with a modicum of historical knowledge knows this, and all your ranting to the contrary does not change the situation a bit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But one side is fighting for justice. And that&#8217;s obvious. The other is trying to conquer and destroy. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but Israel is the one fighting for justice. If Israel had wanted to &#8220;conquer and destroy&#8221; Lebanon and/or Palestine, they would have done it long ago. This continued whining and moaning of Arabs about &#8220;occupation&#8221; completely ignores 5,000 years of history. Face it, the UN allowed and provided for the creation of Israel in 1948. Everything else that&#8217;s happened since then has been an attempt by Arabs to negate and destroy Israel. Any thinking person with a modicum of historical knowledge knows this, and all your ranting to the contrary does not change the situation a bit.</p>
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		By: Yhamir		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29145</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yhamir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well they are ready for war because that&#039;s the path Israel has chosen.  Withdrawing from territory like Israel has in Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza last year may seem like a more for peace - but it&#039;s quite obvious that the reasons have nothing at all to do with seeking peace.

They are strategic moves.  Gaza has no strategic value to Israel - it&#039;s simply a prison.  And when Israel controls it&#039;s airspace while it has a fence around it and attacks at a whim than that pretty much says it all.

Lebanon the same thing.  Israel continued to violate Lebanon&#039;s sovereignty has major covert operations in Lebanon that can only be viewed as a continued desire to destablize the country - which those familiar with Israeli military strategy, has always been it&#039;s primary goal- &quot;divide and conquer&quot;.

Morally Israel doesn&#039;t have a leg to stand on.  Fighting wars brings out the worst in everbody, to use a tired cliche - so yes I condemn it all - sucide bombers, IDF bombs, cluster bombs, Katushya&#039;s, etc etc.

But one side is fighting for justice.  And that&#039;s obvious.  The other is trying to conquer and destroy. 

Not even debateable...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well they are ready for war because that&#8217;s the path Israel has chosen.  Withdrawing from territory like Israel has in Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza last year may seem like a more for peace &#8211; but it&#8217;s quite obvious that the reasons have nothing at all to do with seeking peace.</p>
<p>They are strategic moves.  Gaza has no strategic value to Israel &#8211; it&#8217;s simply a prison.  And when Israel controls it&#8217;s airspace while it has a fence around it and attacks at a whim than that pretty much says it all.</p>
<p>Lebanon the same thing.  Israel continued to violate Lebanon&#8217;s sovereignty has major covert operations in Lebanon that can only be viewed as a continued desire to destablize the country &#8211; which those familiar with Israeli military strategy, has always been it&#8217;s primary goal- &#8220;divide and conquer&#8221;.</p>
<p>Morally Israel doesn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on.  Fighting wars brings out the worst in everbody, to use a tired cliche &#8211; so yes I condemn it all &#8211; sucide bombers, IDF bombs, cluster bombs, Katushya&#8217;s, etc etc.</p>
<p>But one side is fighting for justice.  And that&#8217;s obvious.  The other is trying to conquer and destroy. </p>
<p>Not even debateable&#8230;</p>
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		By: tequilamockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29144</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How do you remove a message you&#039;ve posted?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you remove a message you&#8217;ve posted?</p>
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		By: tequilamockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29143</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What he said. (More or less).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What he said. (More or less).</p>
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		By: Yhamir		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29142</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yhamir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[O.K. Weary et all.

Israel started this war this is a fact.  

And you know it too.  You purposely have left out the history between Israel, Hezbollah and Lebanon(and Palestine, for that matter).

Because once you do it&#039;s all over.

How do I know this?

Have a look at all of the various pretext&#039;s for war Israel has offered and they don&#039;t wash.

1) Missles didn&#039;t come down indiscriminately on Israel.  Missles started raining down when Israel was firing missles on Palestine.  And after Israel started bombing Lebanon. So we can easily discount that as a pretext. 

2)We&#039;ve seen quite clearly that Israel has violated Lebanese sovereignty whenever they please - so we can discount that as a valid reason.

3)UN resolution 1559 does not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon. Only security council approval can do this(in prinicple - but if your going to flaunt 1559 and international law that you play by the rules.  And we all know - and would like to forget apparently - that Israel is required by international law and in order to avoid further escalation to withdraw from territory it occuppies.  Until that happens you can expect people to attack you.  All the rest of the rubbish you twits write about Islam blah blah - is just rhetorical nonsense - the same lame arsed excuses that are used by Israel to avoid a negoiated settlement.  Israel, with the crucial enablement of the U.S is a militarized state - it knows nothing else like the U.S.  Israel fundamentally  thinks that it can militarily negoiate a settlement, so that it doesn&#039;t have to give up land it stole.  &quot;Israel only wants to live in peace&quot; - is the most ridiculous phrase there is - for those with an IQ over 4. 

Israel started this war.  It escalated the conflict instead of seeking a dipolomatic solution.

That is fact.  You can spin it anyway you want but that&#039;s the way impartial people who know the history in the region will see it.  And most of the world knows this.

You people think the more crap you can come up will change that fact, but it won&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K. Weary et all.</p>
<p>Israel started this war this is a fact.  </p>
<p>And you know it too.  You purposely have left out the history between Israel, Hezbollah and Lebanon(and Palestine, for that matter).</p>
<p>Because once you do it&#8217;s all over.</p>
<p>How do I know this?</p>
<p>Have a look at all of the various pretext&#8217;s for war Israel has offered and they don&#8217;t wash.</p>
<p>1) Missles didn&#8217;t come down indiscriminately on Israel.  Missles started raining down when Israel was firing missles on Palestine.  And after Israel started bombing Lebanon. So we can easily discount that as a pretext. </p>
<p>2)We&#8217;ve seen quite clearly that Israel has violated Lebanese sovereignty whenever they please &#8211; so we can discount that as a valid reason.</p>
<p>3)UN resolution 1559 does not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon. Only security council approval can do this(in prinicple &#8211; but if your going to flaunt 1559 and international law that you play by the rules.  And we all know &#8211; and would like to forget apparently &#8211; that Israel is required by international law and in order to avoid further escalation to withdraw from territory it occuppies.  Until that happens you can expect people to attack you.  All the rest of the rubbish you twits write about Islam blah blah &#8211; is just rhetorical nonsense &#8211; the same lame arsed excuses that are used by Israel to avoid a negoiated settlement.  Israel, with the crucial enablement of the U.S is a militarized state &#8211; it knows nothing else like the U.S.  Israel fundamentally  thinks that it can militarily negoiate a settlement, so that it doesn&#8217;t have to give up land it stole.  &#8220;Israel only wants to live in peace&#8221; &#8211; is the most ridiculous phrase there is &#8211; for those with an IQ over 4. </p>
<p>Israel started this war.  It escalated the conflict instead of seeking a dipolomatic solution.</p>
<p>That is fact.  You can spin it anyway you want but that&#8217;s the way impartial people who know the history in the region will see it.  And most of the world knows this.</p>
<p>You people think the more crap you can come up will change that fact, but it won&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: tequilamockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/31/women-and-children-first-propaganda-of/#comment-29141</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(I was bounced for my particular transgression on another thread just at the point when senescentwasp had called me &quot;shitbird&quot; and threatened my life, and I was unable to respond.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I was bounced for my particular transgression on another thread just at the point when senescentwasp had called me &#8220;shitbird&#8221; and threatened my life, and I was unable to respond.)</p>
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