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		By: Shipes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/29/and-what-does-ariel-sharon-have-to-say/#comment-244252</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shipes]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the share]]></description>
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		By: BoydontdiscussmatterswithRockh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/29/and-what-does-ariel-sharon-have-to-say/#comment-29063</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BoydontdiscussmatterswithRockh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to laugh knowing it is unlikely I will get the pleasure to read any responses here.  The dates suggest you&#039;ve chewed up and spit out &quot;Rock&quot; quite well.  You never did read his full comments on separation of church and state, nor the proportion of US dollars given to little Israel vs the rest of the world.  Common knowledge.  And by the way, Israel should change its constitution to be more inclusive if it wants peace to begin.  Or as one suggested could occur but doesn&#039;t: exile those &quot;dirty Arab&quot; (your true thoughts about these human beings) Isreali citizens as there is no peace in your mind or the world you fight in.  

The aggression, the in-grained insecurity, the pre-occupation with anti-jewry, anti-semitism is laughable.  So many of us, including this non-jew (as if that is the proper orientation to have) have been persecuted across this planet by all various groups.  It is the lovely Jewish people who whine forever in the WWII movies to date.  Who controls much of the hollywood content?  Yet, even when a Jew points out Israeli war crimes in the most recent round of insanity that particular Jew is absolutely ridiculed in any press controlled by pro-Israeli interest.  No open, calm discourse.  And a war that was as unjustifed as the Iraq war: Using a few kidnapped soldiers as justifiable cause to create a nice, southern boundry &#039;a buffer&#039; at Lebanon&#039;s expense.  The Lebanese people were about to have a record summer season.  They took care of that economic growth, now didn&#039;t &quot;israel&quot;?  Your Israel is no better, no worse than your enemies.  And you have a ton of enemies. Many don&#039;t want America given it&#039;s over weighted alignment to Israel be in the proverbial &quot;gutter&quot; with Israel.  And too many American Jews are not Americans first and foremost...but always pro-Israeli.  The sooner some American Jews with some communication power, common sense, American priorities come forward with a &quot;What&#039;s good for Israel may be absolutely BAD, EVIL, WRONG for America&quot; the BETTER.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to laugh knowing it is unlikely I will get the pleasure to read any responses here.  The dates suggest you&#8217;ve chewed up and spit out &#8220;Rock&#8221; quite well.  You never did read his full comments on separation of church and state, nor the proportion of US dollars given to little Israel vs the rest of the world.  Common knowledge.  And by the way, Israel should change its constitution to be more inclusive if it wants peace to begin.  Or as one suggested could occur but doesn&#8217;t: exile those &#8220;dirty Arab&#8221; (your true thoughts about these human beings) Isreali citizens as there is no peace in your mind or the world you fight in.  </p>
<p>The aggression, the in-grained insecurity, the pre-occupation with anti-jewry, anti-semitism is laughable.  So many of us, including this non-jew (as if that is the proper orientation to have) have been persecuted across this planet by all various groups.  It is the lovely Jewish people who whine forever in the WWII movies to date.  Who controls much of the hollywood content?  Yet, even when a Jew points out Israeli war crimes in the most recent round of insanity that particular Jew is absolutely ridiculed in any press controlled by pro-Israeli interest.  No open, calm discourse.  And a war that was as unjustifed as the Iraq war: Using a few kidnapped soldiers as justifiable cause to create a nice, southern boundry &#8216;a buffer&#8217; at Lebanon&#8217;s expense.  The Lebanese people were about to have a record summer season.  They took care of that economic growth, now didn&#8217;t &#8220;israel&#8221;?  Your Israel is no better, no worse than your enemies.  And you have a ton of enemies. Many don&#8217;t want America given it&#8217;s over weighted alignment to Israel be in the proverbial &#8220;gutter&#8221; with Israel.  And too many American Jews are not Americans first and foremost&#8230;but always pro-Israeli.  The sooner some American Jews with some communication power, common sense, American priorities come forward with a &#8220;What&#8217;s good for Israel may be absolutely BAD, EVIL, WRONG for America&#8221; the BETTER.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow. Somebody&#039;s awfully fragile, for a troll.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Somebody&#8217;s awfully fragile, for a troll.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 01:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I beg to differ, Don. Modernization, creating jobs, and offering productive lives are something only leaders can do. Just because conservative leaders like B*sh either don&#039;t know how, or refuse to do so (think Ch*n*y), doesn&#039;t mean there aren&#039;t any that can (Clinton).&lt;/i&gt;

So, how did Clinton create jobs? 

Note that all jobs created by the government are based upon taxes, which would have gone elsewhere absent the government. In other words, the government doesn&#039;t create, it simply redirects resources. 

This redirection of resources is bad, due to the economic calculation problem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

This is why the USSR could not compete with the US, something Reagan understood.

The real reason for job creation and modernization is individual entrepreneurs, businessmen, and investors, but they require a society that protects private property and individual rights. 

The protection of property rights is an area where government does help (when it doesn&#039;t hurt, and only up to a point), but in most respects Clinton was negative or neutral with respect to property rights. He confiscated large tracts of Western lands from productive use, and so on (he did sign the Republican welfare reform act and NAFTA, two of the few good things he did). 

Mostly, Clinton didn&#039;t do much, because the awful Hillery healthcare effort went down, then he spent the next 6 years signing Republican legislation like welfare reform. He signed lots of awful EOs, and of course persued horrid forign policy, but couldn&#039;t do more damage than that. Thank goodness.

The other side of this is that, for property rights to exist, you need a culture that&#039;s friendly to property rights. If you have that, government will protect those rights, and the entrepreneurs and businessmen will do their thing. And you will have a prosperous society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I beg to differ, Don. Modernization, creating jobs, and offering productive lives are something only leaders can do. Just because conservative leaders like B*sh either don&#8217;t know how, or refuse to do so (think Ch*n*y), doesn&#8217;t mean there aren&#8217;t any that can (Clinton).</i></p>
<p>So, how did Clinton create jobs? </p>
<p>Note that all jobs created by the government are based upon taxes, which would have gone elsewhere absent the government. In other words, the government doesn&#8217;t create, it simply redirects resources. </p>
<p>This redirection of resources is bad, due to the economic calculation problem:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem</a></p>
<p>This is why the USSR could not compete with the US, something Reagan understood.</p>
<p>The real reason for job creation and modernization is individual entrepreneurs, businessmen, and investors, but they require a society that protects private property and individual rights. </p>
<p>The protection of property rights is an area where government does help (when it doesn&#8217;t hurt, and only up to a point), but in most respects Clinton was negative or neutral with respect to property rights. He confiscated large tracts of Western lands from productive use, and so on (he did sign the Republican welfare reform act and NAFTA, two of the few good things he did). </p>
<p>Mostly, Clinton didn&#8217;t do much, because the awful Hillery healthcare effort went down, then he spent the next 6 years signing Republican legislation like welfare reform. He signed lots of awful EOs, and of course persued horrid forign policy, but couldn&#8217;t do more damage than that. Thank goodness.</p>
<p>The other side of this is that, for property rights to exist, you need a culture that&#8217;s friendly to property rights. If you have that, government will protect those rights, and the entrepreneurs and businessmen will do their thing. And you will have a prosperous society.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FUCK YOU TATER

YOU THINK YOUR FUCKING CLEVER BUT YOUR NOT

FUCK ALL YOU NEOSHITS]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK YOU TATER</p>
<p>YOU THINK YOUR FUCKING CLEVER BUT YOUR NOT</p>
<p>FUCK ALL YOU NEOSHITS</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/29/and-what-does-ariel-sharon-have-to-say/#comment-29059</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I beg to differ, Don. Modernization, creating jobs, and offering productive lives are something only leaders can do. Just because conservative leaders like B*sh either don&#039;t know how, or refuse to do so (think Ch*n*y), doesn&#039;t mean there aren&#039;t any that can (Clinton).

But I suppose the creation of jobs has to take a back seat to the self-perpetuating creation of violence. Carry on, neocons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ, Don. Modernization, creating jobs, and offering productive lives are something only leaders can do. Just because conservative leaders like B*sh either don&#8217;t know how, or refuse to do so (think Ch*n*y), doesn&#8217;t mean there aren&#8217;t any that can (Clinton).</p>
<p>But I suppose the creation of jobs has to take a back seat to the self-perpetuating creation of violence. Carry on, neocons.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/29/and-what-does-ariel-sharon-have-to-say/#comment-29058</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Further, &quot;modernizing . . . jobs
. . . productive lives . . .&quot; is a fuction of the culture, not something elites or leaders conjur up.&quot;

That is a perfect summary of what is wrong with the left today. They have traded their rational and scientific understanding of the world for a mystical belief in the abilities of their leaders.

Jobs are no longer contracts offered to exchange work for a share of a profit, but rather magical gold that socialists conjure up, huzzah! out of thin air, but only when they are elected to leadership positions. Goods are no longer created in factories, but from the metaphorical life&#039;s blood sacrificed by our union leaders, who must be obeyed lest we bleed them dry and lose our ability to produce. Peace is not maintained by the enforcement of law using targeted violence, but rather is the natural state of humanity, and any use of violence, no matter how just, causes criminals and/or terrorists to magically arise out of the soil itself to cause even more violence.

The left has abandoned all but the pretense of rational thought, trading it in for the comfort of a magical universe that will love and protect them, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

Only the neocons, classical liberals now regarded as apostates of the Holy Church of Multiculturalism, still seek to understand the world as it truly is, instead of how we wish it to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Further, &#8220;modernizing . . . jobs<br />
. . . productive lives . . .&#8221; is a fuction of the culture, not something elites or leaders conjur up.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a perfect summary of what is wrong with the left today. They have traded their rational and scientific understanding of the world for a mystical belief in the abilities of their leaders.</p>
<p>Jobs are no longer contracts offered to exchange work for a share of a profit, but rather magical gold that socialists conjure up, huzzah! out of thin air, but only when they are elected to leadership positions. Goods are no longer created in factories, but from the metaphorical life&#8217;s blood sacrificed by our union leaders, who must be obeyed lest we bleed them dry and lose our ability to produce. Peace is not maintained by the enforcement of law using targeted violence, but rather is the natural state of humanity, and any use of violence, no matter how just, causes criminals and/or terrorists to magically arise out of the soil itself to cause even more violence.</p>
<p>The left has abandoned all but the pretense of rational thought, trading it in for the comfort of a magical universe that will love and protect them, no matter the evidence to the contrary.</p>
<p>Only the neocons, classical liberals now regarded as apostates of the Holy Church of Multiculturalism, still seek to understand the world as it truly is, instead of how we wish it to be.</p>
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		By: Edgar Davidson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edgar Davidson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just found your blog (I&#039;m in the UK and like you I have moved from the &#039;political left&#039; to become what you would call a neo-con). I was actually surprised that you felt that the population of Jordan is not set on the elimination of Israel. Most surveys consistently return the figure of Jordanians opposed to any peace with Israel at around the 85% mark (even higher than Egypt).

Edgar (my blog is http://edgar1981.blogspot.com/)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found your blog (I&#8217;m in the UK and like you I have moved from the &#8216;political left&#8217; to become what you would call a neo-con). I was actually surprised that you felt that the population of Jordan is not set on the elimination of Israel. Most surveys consistently return the figure of Jordanians opposed to any peace with Israel at around the 85% mark (even higher than Egypt).</p>
<p>Edgar (my blog is <a href="http://edgar1981.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://edgar1981.blogspot.com/</a>)</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;A comprehensive settlement also would allow Arab leaders to focus on what
most say is a primary concern: modernizing their countries to provide jobs
and productive lives for their rapidly growing populations.&lt;/i&gt;

Is &lt;i&gt;what they say&lt;/i&gt; the truth? 

From my viewpoint, the primary concearn is maintaining power and keeping the &#039;street&#039; preoccupied with hate for Israel so they don&#039;t have time to focus on the domestic government. Without Israel, that rage is flowing elsewhere . . .

Further, &quot;modernizing . . . jobs
. . . productive lives . . .&quot; is a fuction of the culture, not something elites or leaders conjur up. The best leaders can do is support rule of law, but if the &#039;street&#039; wants Islamic law that falls out the window.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A comprehensive settlement also would allow Arab leaders to focus on what<br />
most say is a primary concern: modernizing their countries to provide jobs<br />
and productive lives for their rapidly growing populations.</i></p>
<p>Is <i>what they say</i> the truth? </p>
<p>From my viewpoint, the primary concearn is maintaining power and keeping the &#8216;street&#8217; preoccupied with hate for Israel so they don&#8217;t have time to focus on the domestic government. Without Israel, that rage is flowing elsewhere . . .</p>
<p>Further, &#8220;modernizing . . . jobs<br />
. . . productive lives . . .&#8221; is a fuction of the culture, not something elites or leaders conjur up. The best leaders can do is support rule of law, but if the &#8216;street&#8217; wants Islamic law that falls out the window.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But Hezbollah is not the source of the problem; it is a derivative
of the cause, which is the tragic conflict over Palestine that began in
1948.&lt;/i&gt;

Is it? It seems to be, basically, a tool of Iran. 

Perhaps if Israel never existed Iran would have created some other tool elsewhere, and Hezbollah would have never seen the light of day. Who knows. 

But to state that Hezbollah is a result of the Palistinian issue seems wrong to me, as it is an Iranian invention, and its goals are, presumably, pushing Iranian Islamic fundamentalism outside of Iran.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But Hezbollah is not the source of the problem; it is a derivative<br />
of the cause, which is the tragic conflict over Palestine that began in<br />
1948.</i></p>
<p>Is it? It seems to be, basically, a tool of Iran. </p>
<p>Perhaps if Israel never existed Iran would have created some other tool elsewhere, and Hezbollah would have never seen the light of day. Who knows. </p>
<p>But to state that Hezbollah is a result of the Palistinian issue seems wrong to me, as it is an Iranian invention, and its goals are, presumably, pushing Iranian Islamic fundamentalism outside of Iran.</p>
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