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		By: Don		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 01:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;No other nation comes even close to such a long record of condemnations at the UN.
Herbivorous Carnivore &lt;/i&gt;

I remember when Amnesty International lambasted either Switzerland or Finland for jailing someone who refused to serve in the military (and who could have chosen noncombat duties), while giving Pol Pot&#039;s Cambodia good marks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No other nation comes even close to such a long record of condemnations at the UN.<br />
Herbivorous Carnivore </i></p>
<p>I remember when Amnesty International lambasted either Switzerland or Finland for jailing someone who refused to serve in the military (and who could have chosen noncombat duties), while giving Pol Pot&#8217;s Cambodia good marks.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28777</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;m willing to assume the majority of the &quot;civilian casualties&quot; inflicted by the IDF are actually dead terrorists. Once you strip the corpses of weapons, dead terrorists look exactly like dead civilians, and both the AP and UN have been caught &lt;a href=&quot;http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/imageResults.aspx?s=ImagesSearchState&#124;0&#124;0&#124;-1&#124;28&#124;0&#124;0&#124;0&#124;12&#124;&#124;&#124;0&#124;0&#124;0&#124;0&#124;0&#124;0&#124;0&#124;0&#124;1&#124;&#124;tyre&#124;2233391784121335&#124;0&#124;0&#124;0&#124;0&quot;&gt;posing dead bodies&lt;/a&gt; for photograph opportunities.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m willing to assume the majority of the &#8220;civilian casualties&#8221; inflicted by the IDF are actually dead terrorists. Once you strip the corpses of weapons, dead terrorists look exactly like dead civilians, and both the AP and UN have been caught <a href="http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/imageResults.aspx?s=ImagesSearchState|0|0|-1|28|0|0|0|12|||0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|1||tyre|2233391784121335|0|0|0|0">posing dead bodies</a> for photograph opportunities.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grackle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;I&gt;No other nation comes even close to such a long record of condemnations at the UN.&lt;/I&gt;

Over and over again the obvious is breathlessly recited as if it had some significance. Yes indeed, the UN &lt;I&gt;is&lt;/I&gt; chock full of Israel-haters. Don’t they think we &lt;I&gt;know&lt;/I&gt; that?
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<i>No other nation comes even close to such a long record of condemnations at the UN.</i></p>
<p>Over and over again the obvious is breathlessly recited as if it had some significance. Yes indeed, the UN <i>is</i> chock full of Israel-haters. Don’t they think we <i>know</i> that?<br />
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		By: ilana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28775</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ilana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Herbivorous:  that &quot;record&quot; can as easily be seen as proof of UN bias against Israel, unless of course you believe that Israel is the source of all the world&#039;s woes.  But since many members of the UN who vote on these resolutions would also vote for a resolution saying that Israel caused the Boxing Day tsunami and Hurricane Katrina, it is difficult to take this &quot;record&quot; very seriously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herbivorous:  that &#8220;record&#8221; can as easily be seen as proof of UN bias against Israel, unless of course you believe that Israel is the source of all the world&#8217;s woes.  But since many members of the UN who vote on these resolutions would also vote for a resolution saying that Israel caused the Boxing Day tsunami and Hurricane Katrina, it is difficult to take this &#8220;record&#8221; very seriously.</p>
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		By: Herbivorous Carnivore		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28774</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Herbivorous Carnivore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grackle: That&#039;s not the only UN resolution. Israel has been condemned over 100 times by the  United Nations. (The latest UN condemnation  of Israel came from Kofi Annan himself (the UN General Secretary) asserting  that the killing of four UN observers in Lebanon by Israel was deliberate.)

No other nation comes even close to such a long record of condemnations at the UN.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grackle: That&#8217;s not the only UN resolution. Israel has been condemned over 100 times by the  United Nations. (The latest UN condemnation  of Israel came from Kofi Annan himself (the UN General Secretary) asserting  that the killing of four UN observers in Lebanon by Israel was deliberate.)</p>
<p>No other nation comes even close to such a long record of condemnations at the UN.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28773</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grackle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;I&gt;Grackle, United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, calls for the &quot;withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied&quot;.&lt;/I&gt;

That was in 1967, when all the Western nations concerned, including the US, still believed that Israel’s enemies could be diplomatically reasoned with. It represents the passive, go-along-to-get-along failed Western foreign policy that ultimately produced 9/11, 3/11, the Madrid bombings, etc. We now know that the nature of the constant violence directed against Israel requires a less naive attitude, a perfect example being the current situation – Israel withdraws from the Palestinian ‘state’ and it is used as a platform to direct terrorist activities against Israel – Israel withdraws from Lebanon and it’s much the same. Withdrawal to bring peace doesn’t seem to work. That vote was a naé¯ve mistake by the US. 

Resolution 242 has other provisions that the anti-Israeli crowd ignores: &lt;I&gt;Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force … &lt;/I&gt; and affirms further the necessity &lt;I&gt;for guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones … &lt;/I&gt;

Israel’s enemies have &lt;I&gt;always&lt;/I&gt; ignored &lt;I&gt;those&lt;/I&gt; provisions and continue to ignore them. None of the provisions are worth a tinker’s damn unless &lt;I&gt;all&lt;/I&gt; are complied with.
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<i>Grackle, United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, calls for the &#8220;withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>That was in 1967, when all the Western nations concerned, including the US, still believed that Israel’s enemies could be diplomatically reasoned with. It represents the passive, go-along-to-get-along failed Western foreign policy that ultimately produced 9/11, 3/11, the Madrid bombings, etc. We now know that the nature of the constant violence directed against Israel requires a less naive attitude, a perfect example being the current situation – Israel withdraws from the Palestinian ‘state’ and it is used as a platform to direct terrorist activities against Israel – Israel withdraws from Lebanon and it’s much the same. Withdrawal to bring peace doesn’t seem to work. That vote was a naé¯ve mistake by the US. </p>
<p>Resolution 242 has other provisions that the anti-Israeli crowd ignores: <i>Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force … </i> and affirms further the necessity <i>for guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones … </i></p>
<p>Israel’s enemies have <i>always</i> ignored <i>those</i> provisions and continue to ignore them. None of the provisions are worth a tinker’s damn unless <i>all</i> are complied with.<br />
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		By: morris1782		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28772</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grackle, United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, adopted &lt;i&gt;unanimously&lt;/i&gt; by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, calls for the &quot;withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grackle, United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, adopted <i>unanimously</i> by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, calls for the &#8220;withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied&#8221;.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28764</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grackle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;I&gt;The point is, this happened in Gaza -- which Israel is illegally occupying in the first place.&lt;/I&gt;

Obviously the main point of disagreement is this idea that Israel is “illegally occupying” Gaza. The anti-Israel crowd also declares this illegal status for the Golan Heights and will doubtlessly make the same declarations if Israel is successful in establishing any kind of buffer zone along the Lebanese border. Any reasonable security precautions by Israel, such as establishing security checkpoints or controlling strategic areas for defense from constant aggression and violence are always labeled “illegal” by the anti-Israel crowd. The Syrian army lobbed artillery into Israel for years from the Golan Heights before Israel put an end to the shelling by capturing it during the Six Days War.
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<i>The point is, this happened in Gaza &#8212; which Israel is illegally occupying in the first place.</i></p>
<p>Obviously the main point of disagreement is this idea that Israel is “illegally occupying” Gaza. The anti-Israel crowd also declares this illegal status for the Golan Heights and will doubtlessly make the same declarations if Israel is successful in establishing any kind of buffer zone along the Lebanese border. Any reasonable security precautions by Israel, such as establishing security checkpoints or controlling strategic areas for defense from constant aggression and violence are always labeled “illegal” by the anti-Israel crowd. The Syrian army lobbed artillery into Israel for years from the Golan Heights before Israel put an end to the shelling by capturing it during the Six Days War.<br />
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		By: Nate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28771</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Even if the cause of the explosion was Israeli-fired, say, from the offshore Israeli ship, I can’t agree that Israel is “culpable” in any sense of being blameworthy. Why? Because mistakes of this sort are inevitable in any war. To claim otherwise is logically tantamount to denying any nation’s right to wage war under any circumstances – a clearly ridiculous stance. &lt;/i&gt;

The point is, this happened in Gaza -- which Israel is illegally occupying in the first place. You&#039;re right that a country has a right to wage war when attacked. But in this case, it is Israel which has no right to be in Gaza.

Yes, I know you are going to say that this happened after Israel had &quot;withdrawn&quot; from Gaza. But the &quot;withdrawal&quot; was in name only -- Israel continued to control all entry and exit into Gaza, what money could flow in and out of Gaza, etc. It was still &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; occupation, therefore.

If Israel really and truly withdraws from the Occupied Territories, and if the Palestinians &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; persist in &quot;resisting&quot; Israel by armed means, then and only then would the moral-posturing on the part of Israel have any validity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Even if the cause of the explosion was Israeli-fired, say, from the offshore Israeli ship, I can’t agree that Israel is “culpable” in any sense of being blameworthy. Why? Because mistakes of this sort are inevitable in any war. To claim otherwise is logically tantamount to denying any nation’s right to wage war under any circumstances – a clearly ridiculous stance. </i></p>
<p>The point is, this happened in Gaza &#8212; which Israel is illegally occupying in the first place. You&#8217;re right that a country has a right to wage war when attacked. But in this case, it is Israel which has no right to be in Gaza.</p>
<p>Yes, I know you are going to say that this happened after Israel had &#8220;withdrawn&#8221; from Gaza. But the &#8220;withdrawal&#8221; was in name only &#8212; Israel continued to control all entry and exit into Gaza, what money could flow in and out of Gaza, etc. It was still <i>de facto</i> occupation, therefore.</p>
<p>If Israel really and truly withdraws from the Occupied Territories, and if the Palestinians <i>still</i> persist in &#8220;resisting&#8221; Israel by armed means, then and only then would the moral-posturing on the part of Israel have any validity.</p>
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		By: Adam		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/26/those-infallible-israelis-through-fog/#comment-28770</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don, The Jerusalem Post (formerly owned by Conrad Black, no less) is a right-wing, pro-Israeli-government, newspaper. Editorialising comments from this newspaper lack  credibility. If you want to dispute the HRW&#039;s findings, please cite from a neutral news source.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, The Jerusalem Post (formerly owned by Conrad Black, no less) is a right-wing, pro-Israeli-government, newspaper. Editorialising comments from this newspaper lack  credibility. If you want to dispute the HRW&#8217;s findings, please cite from a neutral news source.</p>
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