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		By: Ariel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28425</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ariel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Panier Man  0 points
Nyomythus   2 points

Your Iranian balance of power is laughable. If they ceased attacking Israel, there would be peace. Thus, there will never be peace because Hamas and Hezbollah will not quit.
Jordan is the Palestinian Arab homeland but the Hashemites prefered to use them as pawns back in 48.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panier Man  0 points<br />
Nyomythus   2 points</p>
<p>Your Iranian balance of power is laughable. If they ceased attacking Israel, there would be peace. Thus, there will never be peace because Hamas and Hezbollah will not quit.<br />
Jordan is the Palestinian Arab homeland but the Hashemites prefered to use them as pawns back in 48.</p>
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		By: nyomythus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28424</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nyomythus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;the current instability and misery in the Middle East. If the Palestinians or any of the neighbouring states had the capacity to &quot;proportionately&quot; threaten and inflict the same degree of destruction on Israel&#039;s infrastructure and civilian population, the chances of a lasting regional peace would increase correspondingly.&lt;/em&gt;

Disarm Hezbollah and Hamas and you have peace. Disarm Israel and you have war until the last Israeli hits the dirt.

Okay I&#039;ll check out the link -- I just noticed it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the current instability and misery in the Middle East. If the Palestinians or any of the neighbouring states had the capacity to &#8220;proportionately&#8221; threaten and inflict the same degree of destruction on Israel&#8217;s infrastructure and civilian population, the chances of a lasting regional peace would increase correspondingly.</em></p>
<p>Disarm Hezbollah and Hamas and you have peace. Disarm Israel and you have war until the last Israeli hits the dirt.</p>
<p>Okay I&#8217;ll check out the link &#8212; I just noticed it.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28423</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/ostrich-syndrome-continues-on-the-left/

Painer, I don&#039;t think it would be wise to goad the Palestinians and Israelis into a war that kills the last man, woman, and child simply because you believe that peace only comes when both sides get tired of fighting a never ending war between balanced forces.

Nyo should read that link above at bookworm for some relating background info.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/ostrich-syndrome-continues-on-the-left/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/ostrich-syndrome-continues-on-the-left/</a></p>
<p>Painer, I don&#8217;t think it would be wise to goad the Palestinians and Israelis into a war that kills the last man, woman, and child simply because you believe that peace only comes when both sides get tired of fighting a never ending war between balanced forces.</p>
<p>Nyo should read that link above at bookworm for some relating background info.</p>
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		By: Painer Man		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28422</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Painer Man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;there is a way building Iran up benefits US interests? &lt;/i&gt;

The gross military imbalance between Israel and its neighbours is the root
cause of the current instability and misery in the Middle East. If the Palestinians or any of the neighbouring states had the capacity to &quot;proportionately&quot; threaten and inflict the same degree of destruction on Israel&#039;s infrastructure and civilian population, the chances of a lasting regional peace would increase correspondingly. While others - including the well-intentioned - might disagree, the development of an Iranian nuclear deterrent would be a positive rather than a negative development for the region. Far from further destabilizing it, it would redress the military balance and be the most effective means of forcing the Israelis to make peace
with Palestinians. To the extent that peace in the middle east is in the US interest, a nuclear Iran is, therefore, very much in the US interest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>there is a way building Iran up benefits US interests? </i></p>
<p>The gross military imbalance between Israel and its neighbours is the root<br />
cause of the current instability and misery in the Middle East. If the Palestinians or any of the neighbouring states had the capacity to &#8220;proportionately&#8221; threaten and inflict the same degree of destruction on Israel&#8217;s infrastructure and civilian population, the chances of a lasting regional peace would increase correspondingly. While others &#8211; including the well-intentioned &#8211; might disagree, the development of an Iranian nuclear deterrent would be a positive rather than a negative development for the region. Far from further destabilizing it, it would redress the military balance and be the most effective means of forcing the Israelis to make peace<br />
with Palestinians. To the extent that peace in the middle east is in the US interest, a nuclear Iran is, therefore, very much in the US interest.</p>
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		By: nyomythus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nyomythus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[w/e]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>w/e</p>
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		By: Brad		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28420</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I would be against emphasizing too much that Iran is the &quot;prime mover&quot; or weapons supplier, Brad.&lt;/i&gt;

I wasn&#039;t emphasizing that, I was pointing out Iran&#039;s decades of ideological leadership for the fantasy of Islamic totalitarianism which makes them worthy of being our #1 target.  Our war against &quot;terror&quot; will not be won until Tehran is defeated.  But the neocons hope, year after year, for a perfect storm of pressures to mount upon Tehran until there is regime change there.  Does anyone think this strategy of hope is working to date?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I would be against emphasizing too much that Iran is the &#8220;prime mover&#8221; or weapons supplier, Brad.</i></p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t emphasizing that, I was pointing out Iran&#8217;s decades of ideological leadership for the fantasy of Islamic totalitarianism which makes them worthy of being our #1 target.  Our war against &#8220;terror&#8221; will not be won until Tehran is defeated.  But the neocons hope, year after year, for a perfect storm of pressures to mount upon Tehran until there is regime change there.  Does anyone think this strategy of hope is working to date?</p>
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		By: Stupid Country		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28419</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stupid Country]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s nicely crafted. Absolute nonsense when applied to a complete stranger whose logic you haven&#039;t bothered to evaluate except by contrasting the stranger&#039;s words to your own dogma. But a nicely wrought and very useful quote. Bet you wish you had it in you to have said it yourself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s nicely crafted. Absolute nonsense when applied to a complete stranger whose logic you haven&#8217;t bothered to evaluate except by contrasting the stranger&#8217;s words to your own dogma. But a nicely wrought and very useful quote. Bet you wish you had it in you to have said it yourself.</p>
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		By: nyomythus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nyomythus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I said, &#039;personal experience&#039; -- I just happen to run across this quote at Frontpagemag.com and thought it was fitting:

&lt;em&gt;It is in the nature of Stalinism for its adherents to make a certain kind of lying – and not only to others but first of all to themselves – a fundamental part of their lives. It is always a mistake to assume that Stalinists do not know the truth about the political reality they espouse. If they don’t know the truth (or all of it) one day, they know it the next, and it makes absolutely no difference to them politically. For their loyalty is to something other than the truth. And no historical enormity is so great, no personal humiliation or betrayal so extreme, no crime so heinous that it cannot be assimilated into the ‘ideals’ that govern the Stalinist mind, which is impervious alike to documentary evidence and moral discrimination.

– Hilton Kramer&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, &#8216;personal experience&#8217; &#8212; I just happen to run across this quote at Frontpagemag.com and thought it was fitting:</p>
<p><em>It is in the nature of Stalinism for its adherents to make a certain kind of lying – and not only to others but first of all to themselves – a fundamental part of their lives. It is always a mistake to assume that Stalinists do not know the truth about the political reality they espouse. If they don’t know the truth (or all of it) one day, they know it the next, and it makes absolutely no difference to them politically. For their loyalty is to something other than the truth. And no historical enormity is so great, no personal humiliation or betrayal so extreme, no crime so heinous that it cannot be assimilated into the ‘ideals’ that govern the Stalinist mind, which is impervious alike to documentary evidence and moral discrimination.</p>
<p>– Hilton Kramer</em></p>
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		By: Stupid Country		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28417</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stupid Country]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see. And where are you getting this insight into my closed mind?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see. And where are you getting this insight into my closed mind?</p>
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		By: nyomythus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/07/17/iran-iran-and-iran-and-west/#comment-28416</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nyomythus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[‘People’ in “people like you…” are people on the far far Left who have been indoctrinated [or self-indoctrinated] to espouse the sorts of view you have. I was exactly the same kind of Leftist iconoclast once myself and formulated my opinions not by analyzing a question in a pursuit of truth or logic, but by simply counter-claiming the designated opposition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘People’ in “people like you…” are people on the far far Left who have been indoctrinated [or self-indoctrinated] to espouse the sorts of view you have. I was exactly the same kind of Leftist iconoclast once myself and formulated my opinions not by analyzing a question in a pursuit of truth or logic, but by simply counter-claiming the designated opposition.</p>
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