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		By: DocRummel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/06/29/out-of-republican-closet-black-like-me/#comment-18386</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve come from the opposite side, with a family that would vote for Hitler if he was a Republican. I can certainly sympathize with keeping one&#039;s politics to one&#039;s self to avoid family conflict. But I do think that one&#039;s initial background shapes how one thinks about issues, even if one changes his mind about particular stands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve come from the opposite side, with a family that would vote for Hitler if he was a Republican. I can certainly sympathize with keeping one&#8217;s politics to one&#8217;s self to avoid family conflict. But I do think that one&#8217;s initial background shapes how one thinks about issues, even if one changes his mind about particular stands.</p>
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		By: Ymar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Only whites are racists just like only blacks can use ni**er.

Remember what King said. Judge people based not upon the content of their character, but the color of their skin and the words that these would allow to be used.

The handouts from 1950 really set it up. When a minority relies upon the government for handouts, they will always vote for the party that gives them more dole stuff. That&#039;s just how a welfare human civilization works. It&#039;s a blackhole that sucks people down.

When you have a minority addicted to the dole, like the Democrats are trying to addict Hispanics, rehab takes decades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only whites are racists just like only blacks can use ni**er.</p>
<p>Remember what King said. Judge people based not upon the content of their character, but the color of their skin and the words that these would allow to be used.</p>
<p>The handouts from 1950 really set it up. When a minority relies upon the government for handouts, they will always vote for the party that gives them more dole stuff. That&#8217;s just how a welfare human civilization works. It&#8217;s a blackhole that sucks people down.</p>
<p>When you have a minority addicted to the dole, like the Democrats are trying to addict Hispanics, rehab takes decades.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; It is singularly mind-boggling how it is that the Dems manage to paint the GOP as racist because they generally don&#039;t support race-based handouts.&quot;

It&#039;s the power of the MSM. The Reps could be running Condi Rice against the Dems&#039; David Duke, and 90% of the &quot;Black Vote&quot; would be for Duke, because the MSM would show sound bites 24/7 of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson insisting that Rice is a racist and Duke is not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; It is singularly mind-boggling how it is that the Dems manage to paint the GOP as racist because they generally don&#8217;t support race-based handouts.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the power of the MSM. The Reps could be running Condi Rice against the Dems&#8217; David Duke, and 90% of the &#8220;Black Vote&#8221; would be for Duke, because the MSM would show sound bites 24/7 of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson insisting that Rice is a racist and Duke is not.</p>
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		By: Oh Blutige HÃ¶lle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oh Blutige HÃ¶lle]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt; By the way, I am also a person that didn&#039;t leave the Democratic Party: it left me. In giving up my support for the Democrats (until they come to their senses), family and friends treat me as an apostate.

THIS, BTW, is the kind of statement which makes me strongly doubt much erosion in GOP power in this year&#039;s mid-term elections.

I never seem to hear anyone making statements the other way, and THOSE are the people I&#039;d be hanging out with more, in terms of selection bias.

Meanwhile, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/19/poll.presidential/index.html&quot;&gt;THIS&lt;/a&gt; makes me seriously doubt they have much hope for 2008, either.

I believe the problem is that the Dems are making this equation:

&lt;i&gt;Dissatisfaction with GOP == Support for Democrats&lt;/i&gt;

In reality, unfortunately for them, I believe the &lt;b&gt;overriding&lt;/b&gt; equation is still:

&lt;i&gt;Dissatisfaction with GOP &lt; Dissatisfaction with Democrats.&lt;/i&gt;

I suspect that the lefty internal turmoils which followed their losses in 2002 and 2004 are going to intensify for 2006 and 2008.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> By the way, I am also a person that didn&#8217;t leave the Democratic Party: it left me. In giving up my support for the Democrats (until they come to their senses), family and friends treat me as an apostate.</p>
<p>THIS, BTW, is the kind of statement which makes me strongly doubt much erosion in GOP power in this year&#8217;s mid-term elections.</p>
<p>I never seem to hear anyone making statements the other way, and THOSE are the people I&#8217;d be hanging out with more, in terms of selection bias.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/19/poll.presidential/index.html">THIS</a> makes me seriously doubt they have much hope for 2008, either.</p>
<p>I believe the problem is that the Dems are making this equation:</p>
<p><i>Dissatisfaction with GOP == Support for Democrats</i></p>
<p>In reality, unfortunately for them, I believe the <b>overriding</b> equation is still:</p>
<p><i>Dissatisfaction with GOP < Dissatisfaction with Democrats.</i></p>
<p>I suspect that the lefty internal turmoils which followed their losses in 2002 and 2004 are going to intensify for 2006 and 2008.</p>
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		By: Oh Blutige HÃ¶lle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oh Blutige HÃ¶lle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 07:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, here&#039;s a good one -- Who said this:

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We pledge that an American citizen of Negro descent shall be given a square deal in the economic and political life of the nation. Discrimination in the civil service, the Army, the Navy, and all other branches of the government must cease. To enjoy the full benefits of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, universal suffrage must be made effective for the Negro citizen. Mob violence shocks the conscience of the nation and legislation to curb this evil should be enacted.
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&lt;b&gt;A: It&#039;s from the 1940 GOP Party Platform.&lt;/b&gt;

Contrast with 1948, wherein the Democrats had a schism within themselves over negro rights, leading to the &quot;Dixiecrats&quot;

I think that it&#039;s eminently clear which party is historically pro-black. It is singularly mind-boggling how it is that the Dems manage to paint &lt;i&gt;the GOP&lt;/i&gt; as racist because they generally don&#039;t support race-based handouts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, here&#8217;s a good one &#8212; Who said this:</p>
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We pledge that an American citizen of Negro descent shall be given a square deal in the economic and political life of the nation. Discrimination in the civil service, the Army, the Navy, and all other branches of the government must cease. To enjoy the full benefits of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, universal suffrage must be made effective for the Negro citizen. Mob violence shocks the conscience of the nation and legislation to curb this evil should be enacted.<br />
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<p><b>A: It&#8217;s from the 1940 GOP Party Platform.</b></p>
<p>Contrast with 1948, wherein the Democrats had a schism within themselves over negro rights, leading to the &#8220;Dixiecrats&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that it&#8217;s eminently clear which party is historically pro-black. It is singularly mind-boggling how it is that the Dems manage to paint <i>the GOP</i> as racist because they generally don&#8217;t support race-based handouts.</p>
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		By: J. Peden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Peden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OSO, great example of Liberal &quot;help&quot;, helping themselves, that is.

[Other great posts.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OSO, great example of Liberal &#8220;help&#8221;, helping themselves, that is.</p>
<p>[Other great posts.]</p>
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		By: J. Peden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Peden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[con&#039;t - sorry, I forgot about haloscan&#039;s limits]  

movement and tactic happen. The evidence just keeps on-a-coming of what I say has happened and is what is continuing to happen.

In a way we were lucky Osama attacked when he did. 9/11/01 producded a focus issue which could not be denied by any sane person. It outed Faux LIberals quite nicely, as we have seen, perhaps just in time. Essentially Faux Liberals lack the creative free-thought life force Classical Liberals saw in individuals, in contrast to the holy Central Governments of Faux Liberals [which cannot possibly have any basis except raw power = control].

So Faux LIberals responded to the Islamofascist intent to kill or enslave us all, by instead trying to blame Bush and win control of our government - a totally dysfunctional response to a real threat.

It is no surprise that Faux Liberals, therefore, cannot face reality at all, and fear it, including their own existence. Individuals are not the source of power, so why should they think they have any? Groupism and Big Daddy Central Governmentalism must save them.

So Faux Liberals are fellows with death worshipping Islamofascist sadomasochists, who will be happy to oblige the Faux Liberals&#039; death wish. Classical Liberals do not control the Democratic Party. They should leave it as neo, kevino, and I did, probably all of us by disavowing &quot;Liberalism&quot; as it&#039;s now defined in practice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[con&#8217;t &#8211; sorry, I forgot about haloscan&#8217;s limits]  </p>
<p>movement and tactic happen. The evidence just keeps on-a-coming of what I say has happened and is what is continuing to happen.</p>
<p>In a way we were lucky Osama attacked when he did. 9/11/01 producded a focus issue which could not be denied by any sane person. It outed Faux LIberals quite nicely, as we have seen, perhaps just in time. Essentially Faux Liberals lack the creative free-thought life force Classical Liberals saw in individuals, in contrast to the holy Central Governments of Faux Liberals [which cannot possibly have any basis except raw power = control].</p>
<p>So Faux LIberals responded to the Islamofascist intent to kill or enslave us all, by instead trying to blame Bush and win control of our government &#8211; a totally dysfunctional response to a real threat.</p>
<p>It is no surprise that Faux Liberals, therefore, cannot face reality at all, and fear it, including their own existence. Individuals are not the source of power, so why should they think they have any? Groupism and Big Daddy Central Governmentalism must save them.</p>
<p>So Faux Liberals are fellows with death worshipping Islamofascist sadomasochists, who will be happy to oblige the Faux Liberals&#8217; death wish. Classical Liberals do not control the Democratic Party. They should leave it as neo, kevino, and I did, probably all of us by disavowing &#8220;Liberalism&#8221; as it&#8217;s now defined in practice.</p>
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		By: J. Peden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Peden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 22:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kivino: &quot;While it may be true that many black Democrats are, in fact, intelligent, it is also true that they are not required to use that intelligence. Democrats in my day were smart, well-informed people. Not any more. Democrats demand total loyalty and devotion to the faith.&quot;

The Party of Liberals left me, too.

Liberals of today are not Classical Liberals. They are very much the opposite. How did this happen? One important and perhaps necessary component: American Communists became Democrats by intent in order to conrol the Democratic Party, starting in about 1984. Voila!

The Communists also became University Professors by intent. Voila!

Word meanings can change by propagandistic fiat, which falsely presume to carry the same meaning they did prior. Voila!

Moreover, the allegedly qualitatively different &quot;freedom&quot; of &quot;postmodern&quot; fiat allows word games to attempt to impose definitions on facts and realities: 

&quot;African-Americans have been in the forefront of change in this country. Conservatism, by its very nature, tends to oppose change, because it seeks to conserve, which is the opposite of change.&quot;
Adam &#124; 07.01.06 - 7:47 am &#124; # 

Right, Adam. Voila!

Please, Adam , get a grip. You are indulging in well-recognized ancient &quot;philosophical&quot; mistakes. Such as &quot;armchair&quot; Idealism. This indulgence is what in fact is retro or reactionary. It is not &quot;progressive&quot;, touche&#039;. It also has led to the &quot;validity&quot; of what is instead Anti-Science, &#039;proving&quot; Global Warming Alarmism, for example.

 Philosophy 101 used to teach the fallacy of this kind of &quot;logic&quot;. Voila!

Ancient and well-discredited Relativism combines[!] with Idealism to constitute post-modern &quot;enlightenment&quot;, which is actually enlightenment&#039;s opposite, chaotic Subjectivism, which logically implies that we shouldn&#039;t even be able to understand what other people say, or even what we ourselves say. Words cannot have meanings, under the obviously self-contradictory presuppositions of post-modernism [also Malignant Narcissism], which would logically imply that post-modernism cannot have presuppositions. Voila!

&quot;Free at last&quot; to judge people not by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin.

Faux Liberalism is now racist, sexist, antisemitic, anti-capitalist, Marxist, anti-first and second Amendment, anti-individual, pro-socialist/communist, cultural creationist, anti-scientific, anti-survivalist, and indeed a virtual cult of death-worshippers and enablers of other death-worshippers.

Through well-known psychological mechanisms, and their manipulation by propagandist [in effect, Communistic in nature and tactics] &quot;strategists&quot;, it has become exactly what it says it opposes. Winning is its only goal, where essentially, the means, control, becomes the ends, control - mostly thought and word meaning control. Other interest group goals are at base only proxies for further control.

I also saw the ironic Communist 1984 mov]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kivino: &#8220;While it may be true that many black Democrats are, in fact, intelligent, it is also true that they are not required to use that intelligence. Democrats in my day were smart, well-informed people. Not any more. Democrats demand total loyalty and devotion to the faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Party of Liberals left me, too.</p>
<p>Liberals of today are not Classical Liberals. They are very much the opposite. How did this happen? One important and perhaps necessary component: American Communists became Democrats by intent in order to conrol the Democratic Party, starting in about 1984. Voila!</p>
<p>The Communists also became University Professors by intent. Voila!</p>
<p>Word meanings can change by propagandistic fiat, which falsely presume to carry the same meaning they did prior. Voila!</p>
<p>Moreover, the allegedly qualitatively different &#8220;freedom&#8221; of &#8220;postmodern&#8221; fiat allows word games to attempt to impose definitions on facts and realities: </p>
<p>&#8220;African-Americans have been in the forefront of change in this country. Conservatism, by its very nature, tends to oppose change, because it seeks to conserve, which is the opposite of change.&#8221;<br />
Adam | 07.01.06 &#8211; 7:47 am | # </p>
<p>Right, Adam. Voila!</p>
<p>Please, Adam , get a grip. You are indulging in well-recognized ancient &#8220;philosophical&#8221; mistakes. Such as &#8220;armchair&#8221; Idealism. This indulgence is what in fact is retro or reactionary. It is not &#8220;progressive&#8221;, touche&#8217;. It also has led to the &#8220;validity&#8221; of what is instead Anti-Science, &#8216;proving&#8221; Global Warming Alarmism, for example.</p>
<p> Philosophy 101 used to teach the fallacy of this kind of &#8220;logic&#8221;. Voila!</p>
<p>Ancient and well-discredited Relativism combines[!] with Idealism to constitute post-modern &#8220;enlightenment&#8221;, which is actually enlightenment&#8217;s opposite, chaotic Subjectivism, which logically implies that we shouldn&#8217;t even be able to understand what other people say, or even what we ourselves say. Words cannot have meanings, under the obviously self-contradictory presuppositions of post-modernism [also Malignant Narcissism], which would logically imply that post-modernism cannot have presuppositions. Voila!</p>
<p>&#8220;Free at last&#8221; to judge people not by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin.</p>
<p>Faux Liberalism is now racist, sexist, antisemitic, anti-capitalist, Marxist, anti-first and second Amendment, anti-individual, pro-socialist/communist, cultural creationist, anti-scientific, anti-survivalist, and indeed a virtual cult of death-worshippers and enablers of other death-worshippers.</p>
<p>Through well-known psychological mechanisms, and their manipulation by propagandist [in effect, Communistic in nature and tactics] &#8220;strategists&#8221;, it has become exactly what it says it opposes. Winning is its only goal, where essentially, the means, control, becomes the ends, control &#8211; mostly thought and word meaning control. Other interest group goals are at base only proxies for further control.</p>
<p>I also saw the ironic Communist 1984 mov</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thing is, the resistance to change in &lt;i&gt;values&lt;/i&gt; is also a problem. Values shouldn&#039;t be casually discarded, as the left demands of its constituents, but they also shouldn&#039;t be clung to when they have been clearly proven false, as conservatives frequently do.

No worries though, as the closed-minded conservatives are being drawn away by the closed-minded liberals in the Democratic party, while the Dems are driving out all their open-minded liberals and forcing them to join the open-minded conservatives in the Republican party.

The balance of power is shifting; soon it will no longer be Dems on the left and Reps on the right, but rather closed-minded Dems vs. open-minded Reps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, the resistance to change in <i>values</i> is also a problem. Values shouldn&#8217;t be casually discarded, as the left demands of its constituents, but they also shouldn&#8217;t be clung to when they have been clearly proven false, as conservatives frequently do.</p>
<p>No worries though, as the closed-minded conservatives are being drawn away by the closed-minded liberals in the Democratic party, while the Dems are driving out all their open-minded liberals and forcing them to join the open-minded conservatives in the Republican party.</p>
<p>The balance of power is shifting; soon it will no longer be Dems on the left and Reps on the right, but rather closed-minded Dems vs. open-minded Reps.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[For a good summation of the early history of American Conservatism this  http://www.nationalreview.com/miller/miller200510260817.asp is a valuable resource. It is especially valuable for its&#039; citation of Geo. H. Nash&#039;s &lt;i&gt; The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a good summation of the early history of American Conservatism this  <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/miller/miller200510260817.asp" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nationalreview.com/miller/miller200510260817.asp</a> is a valuable resource. It is especially valuable for its&#8217; citation of Geo. H. Nash&#8217;s <i> The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America</i></p>
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