Arabs are notoriously bad at propaganda and PR and it amazes me that you think that everything revolves around propaganda.

The issues are real. They were pushed out of their homes and continue to be. They live under military occupation. They don’t have any sort of nation and are not being offered any sort of nation. Kids were slaughtered on the beach by Israeli artillery shells. There have been dozens of massacres by Israeli troops. There have been suicide attacks by Israelis. Israel has ignored every single UN resolution. Israel has attacked and occupied every one of its neighbours. Israel regularly shells refugee camps and has shelled a UN peacekeeping force. Israel is a nuclear armed state in breach of international law. The US gives Israel billions of dollars every year.

Where is the propaganda in that? They are basic undeniable facts.

Sanity?

Good judgement?

The ability to see through leftist dogma and Islamic propaganda?

That is obvious fact.

For you to maintain denial in the face of such facts says …….I don’t know.

It is not America’s presence in the ME or its support for Israel that is responsible for the shoot-out yesterday in Ramallah.

It is not Israel’s “racism”, “ethnic cleansing” (boy are you off base there) or “occupation” that’s responsible for Palestinian internecine strife.

And you can discount the truth as much as you like, but it does not negate the truth. The truth is, that much of what passes for “Palestinian oppression” is manufactured for foolish useful idiots like you, who will believe anything, as long as it casts Israel or America in a bad light.

But the truth remains:

“So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people…greedy, barbarous and cruel.”

I don’t play fair. I prefer pre-game assassinations to 1 on 1 confrontations. We could have easily killed the Iranian top players with Predator B UAVs, but we didn’t, even though USA lost to Iran. That’s cause USA plays fair, I don’t however.

As for trolls and policy about them. Neo won’t in fact ban or delete their posts, unless certain criteria are met by commentators, so what she does do is ask us not to engage them. Except, psychologically that is not possible 100% of the time. You can ignore it for days, but you will eventually want to say something, and then you become embroiled in here or then. Now, since there are like 10 commenters here who are regulars, if we all ignore the trolls for a segment of time and fail at specific instants, we will still have 24 hour coverage. Basically confud and Conned has 12 hours of the day, and we have the other 12 hours of the day since we’re in America and Confud is in New Zealand/AustrAsia, to make comments with.

To totally ignore the trolls, I would have to stop reading the comments section on this site. Which I suppose, is one way the people who came here to play around with people’s mental states can claim victory.

Boy am I going to make some people mad with that.

Only crazy Fussball fans, Ariel.

Confude regularly posts 3 comments at a time, just because he doesn’t like to tidy up his writing material and thoughts. Everything is heavily placed upon the rest of us, in terms of weight and responsibility. There is no personal responsibility Confud takes for anything.

You can’t have an argument with someone who is here to do character assassination. You can have a fight I think, then a time to heal up, but eventually another fight will start some when and some time.

Reminds me of Europe’s wars.

A lot of people don’t prefer to go into a social setting and mouth off about their opinions in front of everyone until the audience applauds them for their audacity and genius. The internet removes this inhibition, to an extent. But most people just can’t act like Confud acts here, naturally, either in a social setting or an internet setting.

Do they have nothing better to do? If they want debates, there are debate forums like at the “Great Debates” discussion panels.

Ariel hasn’t been here for the weeks in which we had to read/skip/read/skip/read about the various abuses and harassments that has been going on here.

Spank, for example, was just picking on me cause I pushed his buttons. He was quite reasonable when talking about other people, and other people tended to not push his buttons. Confud here acts like Spank only in that Confud takes a few posts until you talk about Palestinians, in which he then explodes. With Spank, it was far less predictable what set him off, and he’d always pick on me, Ymar, and leave everyone else alone for some reason.

Confud doesn’t just single me out, he singles everyone here that disagrees with him out with the same conduct. This produces frission and conflict, fit for a war environment, but not a forum for intellectual discussion.

There was this Elvis character that posted with a write in name, that wrote about the rules of neo-cons. Neo Neo Conned could be Elvis, I wouldn’t know, but the tone of Elvis’ initial comments were far more horrendous than the half way reasonable tone of Conned’s recent posts on this thread. At times I have difficulty separating Conned and Confud.

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You see where this goes?

No, I was writing that I wasn’t calling you a racist or anti-semite. Your implied syllogism is fine, but you misunderstood what I was writing. Totally. Of course a “neo-con” can be a racist, so can the paperboy. Or a Democrat. I hope “Daily Kos” doesn’t link that comment, I’m not up to the abuse.

Because some of the founders of the “neo-con” movement, whatever the heck that means, were Jewish, racists in my country began using it as a codeword for “Jew” (racist meaning), “zionist” was an earlier codeword (again racist meaning), as in world conspiracy, Jewish Bankers, Protocols of the Elders of Zion (thank you tsarists), the usual tripe. Which is why I wrote the two sentences on listening closely to know if you have a racist or not.

You didn’t like the Shakespearian “Weltanschaung”? My best work goes unnoticed.

As for Rugby, yeah I could believe that. I still would maintain that the training doesn’t cross well. Rugby is stamina and power, Football is almost all power, little stamina. The “techniques” of play are vastly different in emphasis. Boy am I going to make some people mad with that.

Finally, I am so glad that thug Zarqawi is dead, and yes it does matter. Can I go home now?