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		By: alzaebo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/05/12/negotiating-with-iran-whos-real-enemy/#comment-14321</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Mossadegh was a Soviet front.  Even then, it was all about Anglo-American ooooil.  Russia has no interest in oil, and is scrupulously honest and fair. Sure.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Shah made Iran the most liberal and advanced Islamic country; Arabists like mad Khomeini hated him because he was a Persian patriot.  The mullahs seized 90% of the Iranian economy, and slowly strangled tens of thousands of girls- along with the other million or so evaporations.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Israel was the only Mideastern country to recognize Palestine in &#039;48.  The other countries started wars so they could SEIZE PALESTINIAN LAND.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Syrian occupiers of Lebanon and Arafat&#039;s Tunisian occupiers of Palestine live in palaces in the midst of the towns- excuse me, refugee camps- yet won&#039;t allow building materials in.  &lt;BR/&gt;Need money for bullets, not butter.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If I don&#039;t like having my Mexican neighbors buy houses here, can I bomb the schoolbus?  Palestine Judenrein!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Last call- we need to fund the oppressed ethnics, and Persian dissidents, in Iran.  China (and dying Russia) armed the Mideast, selling nuclear missle tech for oil.  China has successfully used proxy war to get the US quagmired in the Mideast while she recolonizes Africa, and fronts socialists in South America, in pursuit of strategic resources.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;China may not remain intact thru this decade.  We naively built them up BEFORE reform- unlike the USSR. If we can covertly break their proxy Iran, we&#039;ll have a successful template (and base) to do the same to the Maoists.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It worked in the Warsaw Pact, and led to the collapse of the USSR as a world cancer.  World war with Arab or Sinic imperialists is the last option.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mossadegh was a Soviet front.  Even then, it was all about Anglo-American ooooil.  Russia has no interest in oil, and is scrupulously honest and fair. Sure.</p>
<p>The Shah made Iran the most liberal and advanced Islamic country; Arabists like mad Khomeini hated him because he was a Persian patriot.  The mullahs seized 90% of the Iranian economy, and slowly strangled tens of thousands of girls- along with the other million or so evaporations.</p>
<p>Israel was the only Mideastern country to recognize Palestine in &#8217;48.  The other countries started wars so they could SEIZE PALESTINIAN LAND.  </p>
<p>The Syrian occupiers of Lebanon and Arafat&#8217;s Tunisian occupiers of Palestine live in palaces in the midst of the towns- excuse me, refugee camps- yet won&#8217;t allow building materials in.  <br />Need money for bullets, not butter.</p>
<p>If I don&#8217;t like having my Mexican neighbors buy houses here, can I bomb the schoolbus?  Palestine Judenrein!</p>
<p>Last call- we need to fund the oppressed ethnics, and Persian dissidents, in Iran.  China (and dying Russia) armed the Mideast, selling nuclear missle tech for oil.  China has successfully used proxy war to get the US quagmired in the Mideast while she recolonizes Africa, and fronts socialists in South America, in pursuit of strategic resources.</p>
<p>China may not remain intact thru this decade.  We naively built them up BEFORE reform- unlike the USSR. If we can covertly break their proxy Iran, we&#8217;ll have a successful template (and base) to do the same to the Maoists.  </p>
<p>It worked in the Warsaw Pact, and led to the collapse of the USSR as a world cancer.  World war with Arab or Sinic imperialists is the last option.</p>
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		By: alzaebo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/05/12/negotiating-with-iran-whos-real-enemy/#comment-14322</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Also, the proliferation of Saudi &#039;chairs&#039; at university;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;the Saudi IIIWB being the second largest media conglomerate in both North and South America (whose boards of directors dictate what editors may pass);&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;and the fact that 80% of OPEC contributions go to environmentalist &#039;Big Green&#039; lawyer lobbyists- to prevent, not invent, alternative energy&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hey Al!  Please blow another 45,000 gallons of jet fuel to speak in Riyadh and Dubai on &#039;the environment&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the proliferation of Saudi &#8216;chairs&#8217; at university;</p>
<p>the Saudi IIIWB being the second largest media conglomerate in both North and South America (whose boards of directors dictate what editors may pass);</p>
<p>and the fact that 80% of OPEC contributions go to environmentalist &#8216;Big Green&#8217; lawyer lobbyists- to prevent, not invent, alternative energy</p>
<p>Hey Al!  Please blow another 45,000 gallons of jet fuel to speak in Riyadh and Dubai on &#8216;the environment&#8217;</p>
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		By: alzaebo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/05/12/negotiating-with-iran-whos-real-enemy/#comment-14323</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[At last! An explanation of why Soviet protest organizers and French socialists concentrated their clandestine funds and ideas on winning the hearts and minds of the Democrats in the 60&#039;s- &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;Many Democrats, on the other hand, were for engagement--an outward looking party that saw the necessity of going out into the World to change things.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;After the war, Democrats were in the forefront in creating all the post-WWII programs--like the Marshall plan--to rebuild Europe and in the creation of a new security apparatus--NATO, SEATO, the UN.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Like CAIR lawyers today- whose offices have tripled since 9/11.  Hizb&#039;allah has over 100 offices in the US, and 400,000 citizens living in Monterrey, Mexico.&lt;BR/&gt;March For the Undocumented, anyone?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last! An explanation of why Soviet protest organizers and French socialists concentrated their clandestine funds and ideas on winning the hearts and minds of the Democrats in the 60&#8217;s- </p>
<p>&#8220;Many Democrats, on the other hand, were for engagement&#8211;an outward looking party that saw the necessity of going out into the World to change things.</p>
<p>After the war, Democrats were in the forefront in creating all the post-WWII programs&#8211;like the Marshall plan&#8211;to rebuild Europe and in the creation of a new security apparatus&#8211;NATO, SEATO, the UN.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like CAIR lawyers today- whose offices have tripled since 9/11.  Hizb&#8217;allah has over 100 offices in the US, and 400,000 citizens living in Monterrey, Mexico.<br />March For the Undocumented, anyone?</p>
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		By: alzaebo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/05/12/negotiating-with-iran-whos-real-enemy/#comment-14324</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I personally still advocate a combination of the strategic and clandestine solutions, holding off a military one till if/when it may be absolutely necessary&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It worked in East Europe and Russia.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A template for China!?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I personally still advocate a combination of the strategic and clandestine solutions, holding off a military one till if/when it may be absolutely necessary&#8221;</p>
<p>It worked in East Europe and Russia.</p>
<p>A template for China!?!</p>
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		By: confusedforeigner		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it kinda makes you feel dirty responding to him doesn&#039;t it? But noone else seems willing to help in my quest. C&#039;est la vie.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As an aside, I haven&#039;t noticed on a single US right wing blog the timing of this Iran &#039;crisis&#039;. i.e. That the US only demanded that Iran cease its nuclear power programme shortly after Iran announced that they would conduct their oil sales in Euros rather than US dollars. Guess that one slipped under FOX news&#039; radar, huh.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Uncle Deeppockets (Rupert Murdoch) has much to be ashamed of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it kinda makes you feel dirty responding to him doesn&#8217;t it? But noone else seems willing to help in my quest. C&#8217;est la vie.</p>
<p>As an aside, I haven&#8217;t noticed on a single US right wing blog the timing of this Iran &#8216;crisis&#8217;. i.e. That the US only demanded that Iran cease its nuclear power programme shortly after Iran announced that they would conduct their oil sales in Euros rather than US dollars. Guess that one slipped under FOX news&#8217; radar, huh.</p>
<p>Uncle Deeppockets (Rupert Murdoch) has much to be ashamed of.</p>
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		By: neoneoconned		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[...do you see what i mean? he is a bit bonkers...and kinda racist. if you read a lot of the neo &quot;how i became a neo con &quot; stuff you get a general idea about these people...but they really are powerless. the powerful right n the us is much more focussed on realpolitick and are very divided. ask any of them about topics such as immigration and the free movement of labour and you will get a myriad of conradictory answers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;do you see what i mean? he is a bit bonkers&#8230;and kinda racist. if you read a lot of the neo &#8220;how i became a neo con &#8221; stuff you get a general idea about these people&#8230;but they really are powerless. the powerful right n the us is much more focussed on realpolitick and are very divided. ask any of them about topics such as immigration and the free movement of labour and you will get a myriad of conradictory answers</p>
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		By: confusedforeigner		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[You assume that I am a European. Wrongly. Nor am I British or Irish. Labels seem very important to you, which is telling in itself.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It seems to me that the jihadists (your term) wish to kill westerners because of injustices (percieved or real) committed by the west against their peoples. Your solution is to kill and/or subjugate many more, if not all, people of their entire religion. Nice plan.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I am genuinely trying to achieve some insight into the workings of the GWB supporters, but I&#039;m not interested in your type of outright racism and xenophobia.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As for the Palestinians, a little justice would go a long way. Very few are secular moslems and 58 years of oppression, ethnic cleansing and murder doesn&#039;t seem to have won their hearts and minds does it? Someone once said &quot;know your enemy&quot; and you would do well to take that on board. Inventing labels and horror yarns is adolescent and puerile.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Your assumptions about moslems (as opposed to islamic extremists) and your method of dealing with them has a paralell in recent history you know. It was called Nazism.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Which brings us to WW2, your comment was a direct insult to the many millions of nonAmericans who lost their lives fighting German fascism. The country of my birth spent far more in money and lives per capita than yours despite being remote from the conflict, years before we were threatened by the Japanese. We didn&#039;t take the opportunity for 3 years of arms profiteering before jumping in.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The sooner people like you stop being willingly hoodwinked by the &quot;we are pure, and they are evil&quot; crusadist rhetoric the better. You will never win your war against Islam without winning the hearts and minds of the people. Your type are acting as the best recruiting agents that bin Laden could ever hope for.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Oh, and if you wish to be taken seriously, it would help to stop contradicting your own &#039;arguments&#039;. Your thoughts are more thinks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You assume that I am a European. Wrongly. Nor am I British or Irish. Labels seem very important to you, which is telling in itself.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the jihadists (your term) wish to kill westerners because of injustices (percieved or real) committed by the west against their peoples. Your solution is to kill and/or subjugate many more, if not all, people of their entire religion. Nice plan.</p>
<p>I am genuinely trying to achieve some insight into the workings of the GWB supporters, but I&#8217;m not interested in your type of outright racism and xenophobia.</p>
<p>As for the Palestinians, a little justice would go a long way. Very few are secular moslems and 58 years of oppression, ethnic cleansing and murder doesn&#8217;t seem to have won their hearts and minds does it? Someone once said &#8220;know your enemy&#8221; and you would do well to take that on board. Inventing labels and horror yarns is adolescent and puerile.</p>
<p>Your assumptions about moslems (as opposed to islamic extremists) and your method of dealing with them has a paralell in recent history you know. It was called Nazism.</p>
<p>Which brings us to WW2, your comment was a direct insult to the many millions of nonAmericans who lost their lives fighting German fascism. The country of my birth spent far more in money and lives per capita than yours despite being remote from the conflict, years before we were threatened by the Japanese. We didn&#8217;t take the opportunity for 3 years of arms profiteering before jumping in.</p>
<p>The sooner people like you stop being willingly hoodwinked by the &#8220;we are pure, and they are evil&#8221; crusadist rhetoric the better. You will never win your war against Islam without winning the hearts and minds of the people. Your type are acting as the best recruiting agents that bin Laden could ever hope for.</p>
<p>Oh, and if you wish to be taken seriously, it would help to stop contradicting your own &#8216;arguments&#8217;. Your thoughts are more thinks.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the usual pattern. Open minded liberal comes to Neo-Con&#039;s blog, asks questions, then when he doesn&#039;t like the answers, starts talking about American arrogance or what not.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Not surprising, and very expected. It is disappointing however, to see it keep happening as folks from Europe come over to this site, because it reinforces my belief, and not jack trainor&#039;s, that Europe won&#039;t live to hit rock bottom to bounce back up.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Racist is probably one of the 3 deadly insults in Britain and Europe. War monger is probably the worst, along with fascist.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Since I keep my expectations low, I don&#039;t run the risk of getting angry when those expectations are met.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;B&gt;You should learn a bit of balanced history before you spout off on the Palestinian tragedy.&lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ya, I&#039;ll keep that in mind about the next person who says they are open minded about their questions and confusion.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;B&gt;Bush believes in the UN and is an internationalist? 0 out of 10, sonny.&lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;Well, I am seriously interested in getting some genuine perspective about the mindset because this situation has the potential to be a disaster beyond a scale that we&#039;ve seen.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Really.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;I am trying to understand the seeming prevailing political psyche within the US. &lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Good luck in trying to understand something that you&#039;ve already decided on. There&#039;s a 75% chance this fake lying liberal didn&#039;t even read the links, because presumably he would have talked about nuking Mecca if he did.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Bye, bye. Send us a note when the jihadists string you up in the streets, we&#039;ll take a picture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the usual pattern. Open minded liberal comes to Neo-Con&#8217;s blog, asks questions, then when he doesn&#8217;t like the answers, starts talking about American arrogance or what not.</p>
<p>Not surprising, and very expected. It is disappointing however, to see it keep happening as folks from Europe come over to this site, because it reinforces my belief, and not jack trainor&#8217;s, that Europe won&#8217;t live to hit rock bottom to bounce back up.</p>
<p>Racist is probably one of the 3 deadly insults in Britain and Europe. War monger is probably the worst, along with fascist.</p>
<p>Since I keep my expectations low, I don&#8217;t run the risk of getting angry when those expectations are met.</p>
<p><b>You should learn a bit of balanced history before you spout off on the Palestinian tragedy.</b></p>
<p>Ya, I&#8217;ll keep that in mind about the next person who says they are open minded about their questions and confusion.</p>
<p><b>Bush believes in the UN and is an internationalist? 0 out of 10, sonny.</b></p>
<p><i>Well, I am seriously interested in getting some genuine perspective about the mindset because this situation has the potential to be a disaster beyond a scale that we&#8217;ve seen.</i></p>
<p>Really.</p>
<p><i>I am trying to understand the seeming prevailing political psyche within the US. </i></p>
<p>Good luck in trying to understand something that you&#8217;ve already decided on. There&#8217;s a 75% chance this fake lying liberal didn&#8217;t even read the links, because presumably he would have talked about nuking Mecca if he did.</p>
<p>Bye, bye. Send us a note when the jihadists string you up in the streets, we&#8217;ll take a picture.</p>
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		By: confusedforeigner		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ummm, that would be &quot;weigh&quot;. Oops.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, that would be &#8220;weigh&#8221;. Oops.</p>
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		By: confusedforeigner		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are pretty offensive for someone so young and obviously untravelled. That sort of stuff usually takes years of practice. But, you are confusing me for someone who will respond to your racist claptrap. Two pieces of advice for you though. You should learn a bit of balanced history before you spout off on the Palestinian tragedy. FOX news may tell you what you want to hear, but it won&#039;t way you down with any facts.&lt;BR/&gt;The second is, that if you are going to spin a yarn, there needs to be an element of truth somewhere in there. Bush believes in the UN and is an internationalist? 0 out of 10, sonny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are pretty offensive for someone so young and obviously untravelled. That sort of stuff usually takes years of practice. But, you are confusing me for someone who will respond to your racist claptrap. Two pieces of advice for you though. You should learn a bit of balanced history before you spout off on the Palestinian tragedy. FOX news may tell you what you want to hear, but it won&#8217;t way you down with any facts.<br />The second is, that if you are going to spin a yarn, there needs to be an element of truth somewhere in there. Bush believes in the UN and is an internationalist? 0 out of 10, sonny.</p>
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