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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12916</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At 11:44 PM, April 18, 2006, Pancho said...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;    The &quot;smart bomb&quot; saw its debut during the 1991 Gulf War&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;    Just to lighten up the conversation and add a historical perspective. The first &quot;smart bombs&quot; were actually used in Vietnam. They had TV guidance systems.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;THE first smart bombs, as compared to Walleye missiles, never had TV guidance. Texas Instruments pioneered the laser designator/ laser seeker tandem. The first generation smart bombs used two aircraft: one F-4 with the designator and the other the bombs.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The first combat use was against the Long Bien (Paul Dormier) Bridge in 1972. Smart bombs achieved in one strike what had been impossible with hundreds of sorties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 11:44 PM, April 18, 2006, Pancho said&#8230;</p>
<p>    The &#8220;smart bomb&#8221; saw its debut during the 1991 Gulf War</p>
<p>    Just to lighten up the conversation and add a historical perspective. The first &#8220;smart bombs&#8221; were actually used in Vietnam. They had TV guidance systems.</p>
<p>THE first smart bombs, as compared to Walleye missiles, never had TV guidance. Texas Instruments pioneered the laser designator/ laser seeker tandem. The first generation smart bombs used two aircraft: one F-4 with the designator and the other the bombs.</p>
<p>The first combat use was against the Long Bien (Paul Dormier) Bridge in 1972. Smart bombs achieved in one strike what had been impossible with hundreds of sorties.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12917</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Melannie has good information about the General Officer in iraq who said Saddam send his WMDs to Iraq. Must read for those interested in a true multicultural and cosmopolitan outlook on humanity.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/001665.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/A&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melannie has good information about the General Officer in iraq who said Saddam send his WMDs to Iraq. Must read for those interested in a true multicultural and cosmopolitan outlook on humanity.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/001665.html" REL="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12918</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The war went pretty well. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The problem with the occupation part is that technology went both ways... wireless technology for cell phone spotting / targeting and triggering remote control bombs is available to everyone... cheaply. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I imagine we would have had a lot more casualties occupying Germany if cell phones had been around... As it was, a few hold outs did try a few low tech attacks but they rarely worked...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The war went pretty well. </p>
<p>The problem with the occupation part is that technology went both ways&#8230; wireless technology for cell phone spotting / targeting and triggering remote control bombs is available to everyone&#8230; cheaply. </p>
<p>I imagine we would have had a lot more casualties occupying Germany if cell phones had been around&#8230; As it was, a few hold outs did try a few low tech attacks but they rarely worked&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12919</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, no is false.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, no is false.</p>
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		By: Bezuhov		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12920</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymar:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;No.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymar:</p>
<p>No.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12921</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The dichotomy anon listed, is the exact reason why the fake liberals support Islamic terror and suicide bombings.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;They believe that it is the only means available to them. Easy to see, given their ignorance of military expediency and affairs.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This gives you the solution. Stop using bombs. Take a trick from the enemy&#039;s book. Remove their justification, by showing them how Terror Should and Can be utilized, in a legal and moral manner. No bombs, no Apaches, no nukes blowing up civilians in a city. Don&#039;t use your technology. Use psychological warfare to beat psychological warfare, terror to beat terror, fire to beat fire. Make asymmetrical warfare into symmetrical warfare, and End It if not for all time, at least for This Time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dichotomy anon listed, is the exact reason why the fake liberals support Islamic terror and suicide bombings.</p>
<p>They believe that it is the only means available to them. Easy to see, given their ignorance of military expediency and affairs.</p>
<p>This gives you the solution. Stop using bombs. Take a trick from the enemy&#8217;s book. Remove their justification, by showing them how Terror Should and Can be utilized, in a legal and moral manner. No bombs, no Apaches, no nukes blowing up civilians in a city. Don&#8217;t use your technology. Use psychological warfare to beat psychological warfare, terror to beat terror, fire to beat fire. Make asymmetrical warfare into symmetrical warfare, and End It if not for all time, at least for This Time.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12922</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OH FOR PETE&#039;S SAKE... there is a categorical difference between soldiers shooting armed masked men and those masked men blowing up a crowd of obviously unarmed children. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Just as there&#039;s a categorical (moral) difference between the USA dropping a bomb on a bridge, factory, munitions&#039; dump or commandpost filled with armed military personnel who were given the chance to surrender....and some self-justified Jihadis setting off a carbomb among civilians going about their daily shopping.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Left wants to pretend play that anyone killed in war is a civilian so that whatever we do is exactly the same thing as what &#039;they&#039; do. Not so. Not so at all.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The USA rarely kills civilians in war, by far the lion&#039;s share of people killed by our guns, bombs, etc. are young men of military age who have guns in their hands. Not women and children targeted BECAUSE they&#039;re women and children! &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But the terrorists DO specifically go out of their way to kill unarmed civilians as their MO. In complete immoral contradistinction from the care we take with noncombatants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH FOR PETE&#8217;S SAKE&#8230; there is a categorical difference between soldiers shooting armed masked men and those masked men blowing up a crowd of obviously unarmed children. </p>
<p>Just as there&#8217;s a categorical (moral) difference between the USA dropping a bomb on a bridge, factory, munitions&#8217; dump or commandpost filled with armed military personnel who were given the chance to surrender&#8230;.and some self-justified Jihadis setting off a carbomb among civilians going about their daily shopping.</p>
<p>The Left wants to pretend play that anyone killed in war is a civilian so that whatever we do is exactly the same thing as what &#8216;they&#8217; do. Not so. Not so at all.</p>
<p>The USA rarely kills civilians in war, by far the lion&#8217;s share of people killed by our guns, bombs, etc. are young men of military age who have guns in their hands. Not women and children targeted BECAUSE they&#8217;re women and children! </p>
<p>But the terrorists DO specifically go out of their way to kill unarmed civilians as their MO. In complete immoral contradistinction from the care we take with noncombatants.</p>
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		By: douglas		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12923</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Critics of the war, paricularly when bringing up casualty rates must be asked &#039;what is your metric for success?&#039;  They can&#039;t answer that truthfully because they don&#039;t have one.&lt;BR/&gt;Steve, let me see if I got this right:  &#039;I cant condone civilian casualties&#039;, and &#039;I can&#039;t accept 2-3 losse/day&#039;.  Well, you have a problem.  We could eliminate the 2-3 losses/day if we just retaliated to attacks with artillery and aircraft, but that would be stupid, and would obviously create civilian casualties.  We could keep the civilian casualties microscopically low (in historical comparison) but it&#039;ll cost us 2-3/day.  You are the perfect example of what neo is talking about... the impossibly perfect or nothing.&lt;BR/&gt;Of course, the problem is you are full of it, you have said in the past you&#039;d be fine with letting the Iraqis kill each other en masse, just save our troops...  Real concern for civilian safety there...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Critics of the war, paricularly when bringing up casualty rates must be asked &#8216;what is your metric for success?&#8217;  They can&#8217;t answer that truthfully because they don&#8217;t have one.<br />Steve, let me see if I got this right:  &#8216;I cant condone civilian casualties&#8217;, and &#8216;I can&#8217;t accept 2-3 losse/day&#8217;.  Well, you have a problem.  We could eliminate the 2-3 losses/day if we just retaliated to attacks with artillery and aircraft, but that would be stupid, and would obviously create civilian casualties.  We could keep the civilian casualties microscopically low (in historical comparison) but it&#8217;ll cost us 2-3/day.  You are the perfect example of what neo is talking about&#8230; the impossibly perfect or nothing.<br />Of course, the problem is you are full of it, you have said in the past you&#8217;d be fine with letting the Iraqis kill each other en masse, just save our troops&#8230;  Real concern for civilian safety there&#8230;</p>
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		By: Pancho		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12924</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;The &quot;smart bomb&quot; saw its debut during the 1991 Gulf War&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Just to lighten up the conversation and add a historical perspective. The first &quot;smart bombs&quot; were actually used in Vietnam. They had TV guidance systems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The &#8220;smart bomb&#8221; saw its debut during the 1991 Gulf War</i></p>
<p>Just to lighten up the conversation and add a historical perspective. The first &#8220;smart bombs&#8221; were actually used in Vietnam. They had TV guidance systems.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/18/perfect-war-perfect-peace/#comment-12925</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;B&gt;But, I&#039;m afraid we&#039;ve gotten too nice at this point. . . .&lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Marine Corps are just as much crazy sons of warrior bees now as they were before. Just unleash the dogs of war. The Marine Corps is leashed, very tightly. Very dangerous people, you got to keep them on hand otherwise they go ballistic on the civilian sheep population. It can happen with those jarheads full of secret medical combat drugs ;)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The military will and can win, just have to find some way to convince the &quot;politicians&quot; that we&#039;ll happily have blood on our hands, so long as we get Victory.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If Bush cared more about polls and reelection, he&#039;d be perfect as a war President. I don&#039;t want him to revert to a Clinton of course, but if he paid more attention to what Americans wanted, well, let&#039;s just say the UN would get one up the arse and so would Iran.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>But, I&#8217;m afraid we&#8217;ve gotten too nice at this point. . . .</b></p>
<p>The Marine Corps are just as much crazy sons of warrior bees now as they were before. Just unleash the dogs of war. The Marine Corps is leashed, very tightly. Very dangerous people, you got to keep them on hand otherwise they go ballistic on the civilian sheep population. It can happen with those jarheads full of secret medical combat drugs 😉</p>
<p>The military will and can win, just have to find some way to convince the &#8220;politicians&#8221; that we&#8217;ll happily have blood on our hands, so long as we get Victory.</p>
<p>If Bush cared more about polls and reelection, he&#8217;d be perfect as a war President. I don&#8217;t want him to revert to a Clinton of course, but if he paid more attention to what Americans wanted, well, let&#8217;s just say the UN would get one up the arse and so would Iran.</p>
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