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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/08/wafa-sultan-jacksonian-vs-boston/#comment-12431</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As for the existence of aggressors being a commonality, the interesting thing is that in WWI and many other wars, wars can and did happen without any aggressors at all. If two parties just wanted to live in peace, but they didn&#039;t speak each other&#039;s languages and both saw the worst of the other, then they would have a war. No aggressors needed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the existence of aggressors being a commonality, the interesting thing is that in WWI and many other wars, wars can and did happen without any aggressors at all. If two parties just wanted to live in peace, but they didn&#8217;t speak each other&#8217;s languages and both saw the worst of the other, then they would have a war. No aggressors needed.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/08/wafa-sultan-jacksonian-vs-boston/#comment-12432</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Misunderstandings, as a concept, already covers the idea that an aggressor believes he has something to gain by invasion and annexation. The misunderstanding is that the victim doesn&#039;t believe the aggressor will do so, and the misunderstanding on the aggressor&#039;s side is that he can grab a bunch of land and hold it. Scenarios vary of course. The victim acts by lowering his defenses, increasing the chance of attack. The aggressor is more likely to attack as he sees weakness and land grabbing.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The reasons for war are whatever people believe to be valid and beneficial reasons. Their misunderstanding comes in their thinking. If you communicate the correct understanding, you will change their thinking, and thus influence their actions.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If Britain/France communicated the correct understanding to Hitler that no violations of any treaty or sovereignty would be tolerated, Hitler would have backed off when he crossed the Rhineland. The De-Mil Zone part of the treaty.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You may think aggressors are insane, but they&#039;re really not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misunderstandings, as a concept, already covers the idea that an aggressor believes he has something to gain by invasion and annexation. The misunderstanding is that the victim doesn&#8217;t believe the aggressor will do so, and the misunderstanding on the aggressor&#8217;s side is that he can grab a bunch of land and hold it. Scenarios vary of course. The victim acts by lowering his defenses, increasing the chance of attack. The aggressor is more likely to attack as he sees weakness and land grabbing.</p>
<p>The reasons for war are whatever people believe to be valid and beneficial reasons. Their misunderstanding comes in their thinking. If you communicate the correct understanding, you will change their thinking, and thus influence their actions.</p>
<p>If Britain/France communicated the correct understanding to Hitler that no violations of any treaty or sovereignty would be tolerated, Hitler would have backed off when he crossed the Rhineland. The De-Mil Zone part of the treaty.</p>
<p>You may think aggressors are insane, but they&#8217;re really not.</p>
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		By: peter jackson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would quibble with the notion that wars are caused by misunderstandings. Ignorance being a universal human condition, misunderstandings may indeed affect this particular or that particular regarding the way a given war may have unfolded, but I believe that the closest thing to a &lt;I&gt;common&lt;/I&gt; cause for war that can be stated would be the existence of an aggressor who believes he has something to gain from attacking another nation.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The truth is, however, that there are at the very least as many causes of war as there have been wars. There is no universal necessary condition that we can mitigate and by doing so avoid all war. There will always be aggressors and maniacs and maniac aggressors that will manage to find a reason to war.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;On the other hand, there is an historically validated cause of peace, and that constant is victory. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#039;m very glad I found your blog.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;yours/&lt;BR/&gt;peter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would quibble with the notion that wars are caused by misunderstandings. Ignorance being a universal human condition, misunderstandings may indeed affect this particular or that particular regarding the way a given war may have unfolded, but I believe that the closest thing to a <i>common</i> cause for war that can be stated would be the existence of an aggressor who believes he has something to gain from attacking another nation.</p>
<p>The truth is, however, that there are at the very least as many causes of war as there have been wars. There is no universal necessary condition that we can mitigate and by doing so avoid all war. There will always be aggressors and maniacs and maniac aggressors that will manage to find a reason to war.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there is an historically validated cause of peace, and that constant is victory. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very glad I found your blog.</p>
<p>yours/<br />peter.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/08/wafa-sultan-jacksonian-vs-boston/#comment-12434</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;B&gt;As Reader&#039;s Digest says, &quot;Brevity is ... wit&quot;.&lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Tequila has Five posts in succession... Maybe brevity isn&#039;t so much wit, as it requires a wit to quote&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If Tequila was actually paying attention, he would have noticed that it wasn&#039;t Wafa Sultan that did the article. Sometimes you lose your head, if you go too fast.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Tequila, Jacksonianism boils down to one thing. How many people are you willing to kill to protect this here little 5 year old American child?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Canadian mouses say zero. American eagles say 1,000 for 1.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Most Jacksonians wouldn&#039;t really have a problem with the United States sending a Seal team backed by a Marine MEU to Aruba, and finding justice for an American citizen. Zero problems.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Tequila, you got to go find and google Jacksonianism and actually read about it. Because American political spectrums are not like Canadian ones.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The reason why we invaded Iraq is because Saddam wouldn&#039;t return the American POW he held, the pilot that crashed.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Since Saddam didn&#039;t show us his body or the person alive and speaking, Saddam was going down. If I was Bush&#039;s advisor, that&#039;s what I would have told him to say and do.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If Bush only had the Democrat&#039;s ruthlessness at stoking up the public thirst for war like Roosevelt, Kennedy, and the Democrats in the South during our Civil War had done. If Bush had been as ruthless, he would be far more successful, period. Everyone likes a winner and everyone hates a loser.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Bush says,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;We don&#039;t leave anyone behind, no matter how low the odds.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It sounds a lot better than,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;I am confident we will find WMDs&quot;.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;*Snorts*&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You don&#039;t &quot;fire up&quot; the public by saying WMDs are out there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>As Reader&#8217;s Digest says, &#8220;Brevity is &#8230; wit&#8221;.</b></p>
<p>Tequila has Five posts in succession&#8230; Maybe brevity isn&#8217;t so much wit, as it requires a wit to quote</p>
<p>If Tequila was actually paying attention, he would have noticed that it wasn&#8217;t Wafa Sultan that did the article. Sometimes you lose your head, if you go too fast.</p>
<p>Tequila, Jacksonianism boils down to one thing. How many people are you willing to kill to protect this here little 5 year old American child?</p>
<p>Canadian mouses say zero. American eagles say 1,000 for 1.</p>
<p>Most Jacksonians wouldn&#8217;t really have a problem with the United States sending a Seal team backed by a Marine MEU to Aruba, and finding justice for an American citizen. Zero problems.</p>
<p>Tequila, you got to go find and google Jacksonianism and actually read about it. Because American political spectrums are not like Canadian ones.</p>
<p>The reason why we invaded Iraq is because Saddam wouldn&#8217;t return the American POW he held, the pilot that crashed.</p>
<p>Since Saddam didn&#8217;t show us his body or the person alive and speaking, Saddam was going down. If I was Bush&#8217;s advisor, that&#8217;s what I would have told him to say and do.</p>
<p>If Bush only had the Democrat&#8217;s ruthlessness at stoking up the public thirst for war like Roosevelt, Kennedy, and the Democrats in the South during our Civil War had done. If Bush had been as ruthless, he would be far more successful, period. Everyone likes a winner and everyone hates a loser.</p>
<p>Bush says,</p>
<p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t leave anyone behind, no matter how low the odds.&#8221;</p>
<p>It sounds a lot better than,</p>
<p>&#8220;I am confident we will find WMDs&#8221;.</p>
<p>*Snorts*</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t &#8220;fire up&#8221; the public by saying WMDs are out there.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/08/wafa-sultan-jacksonian-vs-boston/#comment-12435</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Islamic repression of free speech, and free religion, thru state agents, seems to me to violate UN Human Rights ideals.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Therefore, such states should not enjoy the protection of territorial sovereignty that the UN gives other states.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islamic repression of free speech, and free religion, thru state agents, seems to me to violate UN Human Rights ideals.</p>
<p>Therefore, such states should not enjoy the protection of territorial sovereignty that the UN gives other states.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/08/wafa-sultan-jacksonian-vs-boston/#comment-12436</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bush couldn&#039;t have found Iraq on a map&quot;.  How stupid.  Doesn&#039;t TMB know that Bush came to office determined to attack Iraq because of the assassination attempt against his father after the first Gulf War?  I could have sworn that war involved Iraq.  Some people have no compunction about lying out of both sides of their mouths, even when it exposes their utter cluelessness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bush couldn&#8217;t have found Iraq on a map&#8221;.  How stupid.  Doesn&#8217;t TMB know that Bush came to office determined to attack Iraq because of the assassination attempt against his father after the first Gulf War?  I could have sworn that war involved Iraq.  Some people have no compunction about lying out of both sides of their mouths, even when it exposes their utter cluelessness.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/08/wafa-sultan-jacksonian-vs-boston/#comment-12437</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Give AJ a read: It&#039;s not the poisonous nest of anti-Americanism you may think.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Poor TequilaMockingBird is evidently very impressed by al Jazeera’s sanitized English website. TMB should read &lt;A HREF=&quot;www.memri.org &quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MEMRI&lt;/A&gt; &amp; &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.pmw.org.il/home.htm&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Palestinian Media Watch&lt;/A&gt; for translations of the vitriol &amp; hatred that al Jazeera &amp; other Arab media outlets broadcast to the Arab world, cheerleaders of terrorism as they all are. While TMB is at it a visit to &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.honestreporting.com/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HonestReporting&lt;/A&gt;&amp; for a look at US news outlet distortions might also be in order. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;I&#039;m worried by neoneocon&#039;s &quot;Jacksonian&quot; proposition which seems to be, boiled down, that the US should exercise its overwhelming military superiority to crush any government or faction that opposes it.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;With the above statement TMB’s reading comprehension gets a failing grade. Please, TMB, read more carefully: &lt;I&gt;The driving belief of the Jacksonian school of thought is that the first priority of the U.S. Government in both foreign and domestic policy is the physical security and economic well-being of the American populace. Jacksonians believe that the US shouldn&#039;t seek out foreign quarrels, but if a war starts, the basic belief is &quot;there&#039;s no substitute for victory&quot; — and Jacksonians will do pretty much whatever is required to make that victory happen.&lt;/I&gt; But misplaced worry is ever the hallmark of anti-warriordom. They worry all the time about the prospect of a Coalition victory in Iraq(Heaven forbid!) but never seem to worry about the Islamists. Up is down, in is out, white is black. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;Bush&#039;s mind was a clean slate when he was elected: He couldn&#039;t have found Iraq on a map. His claque of neocon advisers wanted, above all, conquest of Iraq. 9/11 was not a reason but an excuse.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is a bit different than most anti-warrior ad hominem attacks on Bush. Most claim Bush had already made up his mind to topple Saddam even before he was elected. TMB’s version has him influenced by a “claque” after election. I’m wondering why TMB thinks Presidents hire advisors — to ignore them? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;TMB, 9/11 was neither the reason nor the excuse for action against Saddam. Saddam’s harboring of terrorists &amp; his failure(for over 10 years!) to abide by the conditions of his defeat after he was kicked out of Kuwait were a couple of reasons for the toppling of Saddam. There are many more reasons, but 9/11 itself had nothing to do directly with the toppling of Saddam, except as an horrific example of the end result of a timid US foreign policy in the years after Vietnam. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Folks like TMB must think the terrorists &amp; the despots that use them as proxies make threats just for fun. Hamas threatens death to all Americans &amp; Israelis? Not to worry — they are just letting off some good natured steam. Bin Laden extols the virtues of the Caliphate? Just a sweet fellow momentarily upset. Apparently nothing the enemy says(or does) has any effect on the TMB’s of the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Give AJ a read: It&#8217;s not the poisonous nest of anti-Americanism you may think.</i></p>
<p>Poor TequilaMockingBird is evidently very impressed by al Jazeera’s sanitized English website. TMB should read <a HREF="www.memri.org " REL="nofollow">MEMRI</a> &#038; <a HREF="http://www.pmw.org.il/home.htm" REL="nofollow">Palestinian Media Watch</a> for translations of the vitriol &#038; hatred that al Jazeera &#038; other Arab media outlets broadcast to the Arab world, cheerleaders of terrorism as they all are. While TMB is at it a visit to <a HREF="http://www.honestreporting.com/" REL="nofollow">HonestReporting</a>&#038; for a look at US news outlet distortions might also be in order. </p>
<p><i>I&#8217;m worried by neoneocon&#8217;s &#8220;Jacksonian&#8221; proposition which seems to be, boiled down, that the US should exercise its overwhelming military superiority to crush any government or faction that opposes it.</i></p>
<p>With the above statement TMB’s reading comprehension gets a failing grade. Please, TMB, read more carefully: <i>The driving belief of the Jacksonian school of thought is that the first priority of the U.S. Government in both foreign and domestic policy is the physical security and economic well-being of the American populace. Jacksonians believe that the US shouldn&#8217;t seek out foreign quarrels, but if a war starts, the basic belief is &#8220;there&#8217;s no substitute for victory&#8221; — and Jacksonians will do pretty much whatever is required to make that victory happen.</i> But misplaced worry is ever the hallmark of anti-warriordom. They worry all the time about the prospect of a Coalition victory in Iraq(Heaven forbid!) but never seem to worry about the Islamists. Up is down, in is out, white is black. </p>
<p><i>Bush&#8217;s mind was a clean slate when he was elected: He couldn&#8217;t have found Iraq on a map. His claque of neocon advisers wanted, above all, conquest of Iraq. 9/11 was not a reason but an excuse.</i></p>
<p>This is a bit different than most anti-warrior ad hominem attacks on Bush. Most claim Bush had already made up his mind to topple Saddam even before he was elected. TMB’s version has him influenced by a “claque” after election. I’m wondering why TMB thinks Presidents hire advisors — to ignore them? </p>
<p>TMB, 9/11 was neither the reason nor the excuse for action against Saddam. Saddam’s harboring of terrorists &#038; his failure(for over 10 years!) to abide by the conditions of his defeat after he was kicked out of Kuwait were a couple of reasons for the toppling of Saddam. There are many more reasons, but 9/11 itself had nothing to do directly with the toppling of Saddam, except as an horrific example of the end result of a timid US foreign policy in the years after Vietnam. </p>
<p>Folks like TMB must think the terrorists &#038; the despots that use them as proxies make threats just for fun. Hamas threatens death to all Americans &#038; Israelis? Not to worry — they are just letting off some good natured steam. Bin Laden extols the virtues of the Caliphate? Just a sweet fellow momentarily upset. Apparently nothing the enemy says(or does) has any effect on the TMB’s of the world.</p>
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		By: ELC		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Allow me to point out that the linked article &quot;All For One&quot; is not by Wafa Sultan but by one Amit Ghate. It had been published earlier at the blog Thrutch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to point out that the linked article &#8220;All For One&#8221; is not by Wafa Sultan but by one Amit Ghate. It had been published earlier at the blog Thrutch.</p>
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		By: tequilamockingbird		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nope.  Sorry.  Aggressive war -- which, by the way, is defined by the Nuremberg trial as being the ultimate war crime within which all other war crimes are contained -- is aggressive war, whether it be the attack on Pearl Harbor, the invasion of Poland, or the invasion or Iraq.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  Sorry.  Aggressive war &#8212; which, by the way, is defined by the Nuremberg trial as being the ultimate war crime within which all other war crimes are contained &#8212; is aggressive war, whether it be the attack on Pearl Harbor, the invasion of Poland, or the invasion or Iraq.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, by the way, December 7, 1941, a day which will live in infamy:  I guess the Japanese realized that the U.S. was a growing threat to their dominance of the Pacific region, and that war with the U.S. was inevitable, and that they had best address the threat by military action now, rather than later; thus the attack on Pearl Harbour is totally justifiable, from the Japanese point of view, as being a perfectly legitimate preventive -- and not agressive -- war?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way, December 7, 1941, a day which will live in infamy:  I guess the Japanese realized that the U.S. was a growing threat to their dominance of the Pacific region, and that war with the U.S. was inevitable, and that they had best address the threat by military action now, rather than later; thus the attack on Pearl Harbour is totally justifiable, from the Japanese point of view, as being a perfectly legitimate preventive &#8212; and not agressive &#8212; war?</p>
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