Comments on: Kidnapping, coercion, and mind control: Jill Carroll, and the strange case of Patty Hearst (Part I) https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/ A blog about political change, among other things Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:50:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12263 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12263 Fate, Timothy, fate. Circumstances which are hard to control, that’s what’s stopping me.

SERE is classified, and for good reason. Cause I think it would be labeled “torture” if the public knew what went on in there. I’m sure if we ever can regrow limbs at a cost effective means, they’ll be hacking people’s arms off in there as part of the training. Since it won’t be a “permanent” medical damage.

The only thing the Special Forces operators say when asked about it from what I’ve seen, is that they get this “look” on their faces and they’re busy finding words to describe it. It’s been seared into their minds, they might say.

]]> By: SB https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12264 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12264 Sgrena?
Fisk?
Any others?

]]> By: Brad https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12265 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12265 Anon 11:49
“Video interview with Noam Chomsky here:

suck it down and suck it down again.”

That is parody, isn’t it? Isn’t it Anon?

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12266 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12266 Tom: I was actually referring to foreign journalists from leftist publications. Some of the early captives were of that ilk. I was not referring to our own press.

]]> By: Tom https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12267 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12267 Please publish a list of journalists who are, in your opinion, “sympathetic to the terrorist (or “insurgent”) cause.” I’ve been watching the media coverage of the war on terror, and while an argument can be made that there are journalists who oppose the way the Bush administration is fighting the war, I can’t htink of a single moment when I thought a journalist might be “sympathetic” to the cause of blowing up planeloads of innocent people.

Since it’s so obvious to you, perhaps you could help the rest of us by putting together a list of “sympathetic” journalists.

Or maybe you’d like to dial back the incendiary rhetoric just a bit. Just because people think that President Bush isn’t perfect doesn’t mean they’re rooting for the other side.

]]> By: Anonymous https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12268 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12268 The comments on this blog — particularly those from one long-winded paranoid boastful blowhard — do not measure up to the excellence of the posts.

In fact their stupidity detracts from your thoughtful posts by showing people at their worst.

]]> By: Andrew Zalotocky https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12269 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12269 Neo, I’m sure the voice you describe was an important factor in making her so hated. The modern equivalent would be the insufferably self-righteous anti-war protesters who scream about peace and justice without ever acknowledging that they would have kept Saddam in power. I’m not suggesting that all opponents of the Iraq war were like that. But some were, and it was repugnant because they were treating a grave issue with a total lack of moral seriousness. The idiots marching around with silly costumes and giant puppets were treating matters of life and death like a carnival. It wasn’t the banality of evil but a frivolity towards it, which is so deeply offensive because it suggests that other people’s suffering isn’t worth taking seriously, whether it’s the oppressed in Iraq or citizens threatened with murder during a bank robbery. To hear that attitude expressed in the voice of a spoilt, vapid heiress, with all its sense of entitlement, must have been absolutely insufferable.

]]> By: goesh https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12270 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12270 We all would last about 30 seconds and we would be calling our mothers whores if that’s what they wanted rather than to star in a beheading video. Ignorant people who wave their arms in the air and burn American and Israeli flags and want to kill someone for converting to Christianity believe everything they see on these tapes. Why wouldn’t they? First it shows that radical islam has prevailed and an infidel is being made to mind. Secondly, it demonstrates the power of their cause and their fighters, that they can capture infidels right under the noses of the American soliders. It shows how weak we are, in their minds. It is also a morale boost for the fighters to be able to taunt a helpless captive. They most likely stripped her and humiliated her, she may have been raped. They are smart to kidnap a woman – odds are she won’t disclose all that really happened to her and thus in the eyes of the Left, an impression is left that they aren’t complete monsters, just insurgents, desperate to get rid of Imperialistic Americans out for their oil. They can always count on an intellectual reaction from us rather than an emotive response. The sophisticated commanders are enjoying our response more than the captivity – we are after all, totally predictable.

]]> By: Timothy https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12271 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12271 Neo,
Good post. I figured you of all people would understand Stockholm syndrome. The piling on has been, well, pretty stupid.

As to the SEALS comment:
The military has something called SERE, Survival Escape Resistance and Evasion. It’s not a picnic…I know a few people that have done the training. The details are classified (so they didn’t tell me ) but the point of it is not. The point is that everyone breaks eventually. Everyone.

Ymarsakar,
Seems like you are ready to rock and roll in Iraq. What’s stopping you?

]]> By: Bookworm https://thenewneo.com/2006/04/03/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control/#comment-12272 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/04/kidnapping-coercion-and-mind-control.html#comment-12272 Excellent post. I look forward to the next part. I remember the kidnapping vividly, since it took place in my neck of the woods. Since I was raised on the Holocaust (every bit as macabre as the brainwashing upbringing), I had no difficulty believing that she’d been coerced. I knew enough about the tortures that people could endure — and that they couldn’t endure — to believe that anyway could be broken and swayed.

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