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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/27/magritte-would-not-be-pleased-and/#comment-12022</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Take the apple, for example. In nineteenth-century America, frontier dwellers far from the trading posts of the East lacked a source of sweetness in their diet -- and sugar with which to make alcohol. So when a man named John Chapman (a.k.a. Johnny Appleseed) floated down the Ohio River with bushels of apple seeds in his canoe, the settlers seized on the opportunity to grow the fruit on their new land. The pioneers&#039; desire for sweetness was satisfied -- and the apple was given a whole new continent on which to blossom. So who is really domesticating whom?&lt;BR/&gt;--From publisher&#039;s notes for Pollan&#039;s BOTANY OF DESIRE&lt;BR/&gt;--David72]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take the apple, for example. In nineteenth-century America, frontier dwellers far from the trading posts of the East lacked a source of sweetness in their diet &#8212; and sugar with which to make alcohol. So when a man named John Chapman (a.k.a. Johnny Appleseed) floated down the Ohio River with bushels of apple seeds in his canoe, the settlers seized on the opportunity to grow the fruit on their new land. The pioneers&#8217; desire for sweetness was satisfied &#8212; and the apple was given a whole new continent on which to blossom. So who is really domesticating whom?<br />&#8211;From publisher&#8217;s notes for Pollan&#8217;s BOTANY OF DESIRE<br />&#8211;David72</p>
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		By: Charlottesvillain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/27/magritte-would-not-be-pleased-and/#comment-12023</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlottesvillain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agree with the many comments about they decline in apple taste. Growers have moved towards appearance and shelf life at the expense of flavor. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Just last Friday I executed my own plan to bring flavorful apples back into my life. I planted ten young apple trees, of six different varieties, all heirloom strains that used to be widely cultivated here in central Virginia. Winesap, black twig, winter banana, crispin, and Virginia gold. Perhaps in 4 to 5 years I will be enjoying flavorful apples once again. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In the meantime, I&#039;ll struggle along with farmstand apples. No precut slices for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the many comments about they decline in apple taste. Growers have moved towards appearance and shelf life at the expense of flavor. </p>
<p>Just last Friday I executed my own plan to bring flavorful apples back into my life. I planted ten young apple trees, of six different varieties, all heirloom strains that used to be widely cultivated here in central Virginia. Winesap, black twig, winter banana, crispin, and Virginia gold. Perhaps in 4 to 5 years I will be enjoying flavorful apples once again. </p>
<p>In the meantime, I&#8217;ll struggle along with farmstand apples. No precut slices for me.</p>
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		By: nate		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My father studies agriculture and food production and has been obsessed with baby carrots for some time. A baby carrot is made from two cuts in a 9&quot; carrot, so three parts of maybe 2.5&quot; (after they&#039;re shaved down) each. You can reassemble &quot;ghost carrots&quot; from baby carrots, with the thick top, the regular middle, and the tapering end. My father loves to do this. He&#039;s a hit at parties.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Currently there is a race on to develop the 12&quot; carrot, one that can take three cuts and produce four baby carrots from each mama carrot. The problem is making a 12&quot; carrot consistently straight enough for current machinery. So the baby carrot, born as a solution to Crooked Carrot Syndrome, has re-created the problem on a longer scale. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The other vital piece of carrot information is that the modern carrot has far more beta carotene than the carrots of a century ago. Consumers generally prefer orange carrots, so farmers have bred carrots that are more and more orange, and the orange is beta carotene. This is pretty unusual, in that modern consumer-driven engineering has generally produced fruits and vegetables that are less nutritious than their 19th century predecessors.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;once you&#039;ve started an apple, you&#039;re sort of committed to eating the whole thing&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#039;s delightfully ironic that, after we&#039;ve spent decades engineering them to be larger, the behemoth grocery store apple is suddenly too big to eat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father studies agriculture and food production and has been obsessed with baby carrots for some time. A baby carrot is made from two cuts in a 9&#8243; carrot, so three parts of maybe 2.5&#8243; (after they&#8217;re shaved down) each. You can reassemble &#8220;ghost carrots&#8221; from baby carrots, with the thick top, the regular middle, and the tapering end. My father loves to do this. He&#8217;s a hit at parties.</p>
<p>Currently there is a race on to develop the 12&#8243; carrot, one that can take three cuts and produce four baby carrots from each mama carrot. The problem is making a 12&#8243; carrot consistently straight enough for current machinery. So the baby carrot, born as a solution to Crooked Carrot Syndrome, has re-created the problem on a longer scale. </p>
<p>The other vital piece of carrot information is that the modern carrot has far more beta carotene than the carrots of a century ago. Consumers generally prefer orange carrots, so farmers have bred carrots that are more and more orange, and the orange is beta carotene. This is pretty unusual, in that modern consumer-driven engineering has generally produced fruits and vegetables that are less nutritious than their 19th century predecessors.</p>
<p><i>once you&#8217;ve started an apple, you&#8217;re sort of committed to eating the whole thing</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s delightfully ironic that, after we&#8217;ve spent decades engineering them to be larger, the behemoth grocery store apple is suddenly too big to eat.</p>
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		By: camojack		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/27/magritte-would-not-be-pleased-and/#comment-12025</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Coincidentally, I &lt;I&gt;just ate&lt;/I&gt; an apple...a gala.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coincidentally, I <i>just ate</i> an apple&#8230;a gala.</p>
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		By: jlbussey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like both Fuji and Gala apples for flavor and crispness.  Luckily, they carry them year around where I&#039;m at.  I haven&#039;t eaten a Red or Golden Delicous in decades they&#039;re so yucky.  Granny Smiths make perfect apple sauce however, no sugar necessary, a lot of sweetness come out of the peel if you leave it on.&lt;BR/&gt;Jan/CascadeExposures]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like both Fuji and Gala apples for flavor and crispness.  Luckily, they carry them year around where I&#8217;m at.  I haven&#8217;t eaten a Red or Golden Delicous in decades they&#8217;re so yucky.  Granny Smiths make perfect apple sauce however, no sugar necessary, a lot of sweetness come out of the peel if you leave it on.<br />Jan/CascadeExposures</p>
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		By: Thomas Crown		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Crown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does anyone recall the time I stole &quot;The son of Man&quot;?  Sent those bobbies on a bit of a goose chase, eh chaps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone recall the time I stole &#8220;The son of Man&#8221;?  Sent those bobbies on a bit of a goose chase, eh chaps.</p>
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		By: dicentra		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/27/magritte-would-not-be-pleased-and/#comment-12028</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are plenty of apple varieties between Delicious and Granny Smith: Jonathan comes to mind, and when I was at Cornell, they had dozens of new types that they were breeding all the time. Made a great apple juice blend.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Delicious is most decidedly not. And Granny Smith&#039;s become more palatable with a dash of salt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of apple varieties between Delicious and Granny Smith: Jonathan comes to mind, and when I was at Cornell, they had dozens of new types that they were breeding all the time. Made a great apple juice blend.</p>
<p>Delicious is most decidedly not. And Granny Smith&#8217;s become more palatable with a dash of salt.</p>
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		By: Ed onWestSlope		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I live in a small town, near a lot of small and older orchards. The best fruit, from the first cherries, cotts, peaches, pears to the last apples are the varieties which do not ship well. Too tender to ship, but OOOOH so good.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Your post remineded me of an ad I saw in a bus, during my R &amp; R in Austrailia, 1971.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;An apple a day keeps the Doctor away.&lt;BR/&gt;And the picture shows a man throwing an apple at a Doctor, who is attempting to duck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in a small town, near a lot of small and older orchards. The best fruit, from the first cherries, cotts, peaches, pears to the last apples are the varieties which do not ship well. Too tender to ship, but OOOOH so good.</p>
<p>Your post remineded me of an ad I saw in a bus, during my R &#038; R in Austrailia, 1971.</p>
<p>An apple a day keeps the Doctor away.<br />And the picture shows a man throwing an apple at a Doctor, who is attempting to duck.</p>
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		By: strcpy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not just apples, but much of our produce in general.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I like hot peppers, have since I first ate one in the early 90&#039;s. Back then it was difficult to find fresh outside of large markets and the only pickled ones were jalapeno&#039;s. You could get a jalapeno that would burn pretty good, even to those of us who ate truly hot foods.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Nowadays jalapenos are pretty much like bell peppers, don&#039;t even need gloves to cut up. If I purchase american made chipotle peppers (smoked jalapeno&#039;s in adobo sauce) I can eat it by the spoonfull. If I buy chipotle&#039;s imported from mexico - back like they used to be. Heck, I can eat store bought habanero&#039;s raw - no way I should be able to do so.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The fact that habanero salsa variants and sauces are served in wendy&#039;s and sonic shows how much it&#039;s been breed down. For many it&#039;s like a badge of honor (and thus a market for not so hot ones so they can say they eat them) - though it&#039;s amusing when they get a hold of a real one.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Even as late as 98-99 my hot sauce needed no more than 10 habaneros - usually around 5, now my last I made that was just them used over 30 and became more &quot;paste&quot; than sauce (and thus, not really acceptable). I either have to grow my own from specilised seed producers or use capsaicin extracts to get hot enough (which I also make myself).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The best part of the summer is the little garden I grow. A few hot peppers, cucumbers, and various other vegetables that are of poor quality in the anything but specialy grocery stores.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just apples, but much of our produce in general.</p>
<p>I like hot peppers, have since I first ate one in the early 90&#8217;s. Back then it was difficult to find fresh outside of large markets and the only pickled ones were jalapeno&#8217;s. You could get a jalapeno that would burn pretty good, even to those of us who ate truly hot foods.</p>
<p>Nowadays jalapenos are pretty much like bell peppers, don&#8217;t even need gloves to cut up. If I purchase american made chipotle peppers (smoked jalapeno&#8217;s in adobo sauce) I can eat it by the spoonfull. If I buy chipotle&#8217;s imported from mexico &#8211; back like they used to be. Heck, I can eat store bought habanero&#8217;s raw &#8211; no way I should be able to do so.</p>
<p>The fact that habanero salsa variants and sauces are served in wendy&#8217;s and sonic shows how much it&#8217;s been breed down. For many it&#8217;s like a badge of honor (and thus a market for not so hot ones so they can say they eat them) &#8211; though it&#8217;s amusing when they get a hold of a real one.</p>
<p>Even as late as 98-99 my hot sauce needed no more than 10 habaneros &#8211; usually around 5, now my last I made that was just them used over 30 and became more &#8220;paste&#8221; than sauce (and thus, not really acceptable). I either have to grow my own from specilised seed producers or use capsaicin extracts to get hot enough (which I also make myself).</p>
<p>The best part of the summer is the little garden I grow. A few hot peppers, cucumbers, and various other vegetables that are of poor quality in the anything but specialy grocery stores.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m fortunate to live not far from an orchard that hasn&#039;t been paved over yet; once in awhile, usually fall, I go there with my family and we get bags of apples (must be like 10 varieties), pears, etc. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Price is cheap because you pick them yourself.  It&#039;s fun to work with your kids picking fruit.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Nice lyric posts today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fortunate to live not far from an orchard that hasn&#8217;t been paved over yet; once in awhile, usually fall, I go there with my family and we get bags of apples (must be like 10 varieties), pears, etc. </p>
<p>Price is cheap because you pick them yourself.  It&#8217;s fun to work with your kids picking fruit.</p>
<p>Nice lyric posts today.</p>
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