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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11685</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo is pretty liberal with the stuff that can be discussed in her comments section. She doesn&#039;t tolerate gross personal mendacity of course, but unlike PressThink, she won&#039;t close off a thread cause she doesn&#039;t like where it is going.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Still, I did write a reply.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://ymarsakar.blogspot.com/2006/03/piracy-in-international-waters-or-what.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/A&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo is pretty liberal with the stuff that can be discussed in her comments section. She doesn&#8217;t tolerate gross personal mendacity of course, but unlike PressThink, she won&#8217;t close off a thread cause she doesn&#8217;t like where it is going.</p>
<p>Still, I did write a reply.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://ymarsakar.blogspot.com/2006/03/piracy-in-international-waters-or-what.html" REL="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		By: ElMondoHummus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11686</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ElMondoHummus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sooo sorry to go off topic, but I have to respond (respectfully, of course), to Ymarsakar&#039;s comment:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;&quot;...oil tankers aren&#039;t seized on the high seas like the pirates seized the Spanish Treasure Ships back in the 17th century.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;No offense, sir, but that&#039;s not the case. Just Google &quot;Malacca Straight&quot; and &quot;piracy&quot; and you&#039;ll see that tanker and cargo ship hijackings are distressingly common in that part of the Pacific. I can also refer you to a book I read last year on this subject; &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0452284139/sr=8-3/qid=1143231652/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-4677168-3973622?%5Fencoding=UTF8&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dangerous Waters&lt;/A&gt; is the title.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;ULCCs (Ultra Large Crude (or Cargo) Carriers) are frequent targets in various spots in the world, but in the Malacca Straight, the numbers are especially high. I don&#039;t know how often ships were pirated in the 17th Century, so I don&#039;t know if the pace of hijackings today outstrips or is shadowed by that time period, but such acts &lt;I&gt;are&lt;/I&gt; happening today. I know your point was that the US Navy is pretty much all that&#039;s keeping peace in most of the high seas, and I agree with that, but even an organization &lt;I&gt;that&lt;/I&gt; powerful can&#039;t stop piracy/hijackings/illegal boardings everywhere, and unfortunately, such acts are commonplace in some areas of the world.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Ending comment here to allow thread subject to reassert itself (Boy, am I a hypocrite, or what?! Wasn&#039;t I the one complaining about thread hijacking a month ago?  :^}  ). Ymarsakar: I&#039;m far from an expert on the subject of piracy, but in order to keep this thread on topic, should you want to continue on this subject, I&#039;ll be happy to communicate somewhere else with you. Your own blog, perhaps? I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t have one myself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sooo sorry to go off topic, but I have to respond (respectfully, of course), to Ymarsakar&#8217;s comment:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;oil tankers aren&#8217;t seized on the high seas like the pirates seized the Spanish Treasure Ships back in the 17th century.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No offense, sir, but that&#8217;s not the case. Just Google &#8220;Malacca Straight&#8221; and &#8220;piracy&#8221; and you&#8217;ll see that tanker and cargo ship hijackings are distressingly common in that part of the Pacific. I can also refer you to a book I read last year on this subject; <a HREF="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0452284139/sr=8-3/qid=1143231652/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-4677168-3973622?%5Fencoding=UTF8" REL="nofollow">Dangerous Waters</a> is the title.</p>
<p>ULCCs (Ultra Large Crude (or Cargo) Carriers) are frequent targets in various spots in the world, but in the Malacca Straight, the numbers are especially high. I don&#8217;t know how often ships were pirated in the 17th Century, so I don&#8217;t know if the pace of hijackings today outstrips or is shadowed by that time period, but such acts <i>are</i> happening today. I know your point was that the US Navy is pretty much all that&#8217;s keeping peace in most of the high seas, and I agree with that, but even an organization <i>that</i> powerful can&#8217;t stop piracy/hijackings/illegal boardings everywhere, and unfortunately, such acts are commonplace in some areas of the world.</p>
<p>Ending comment here to allow thread subject to reassert itself (Boy, am I a hypocrite, or what?! Wasn&#8217;t I the one complaining about thread hijacking a month ago?  :^}  ). Ymarsakar: I&#8217;m far from an expert on the subject of piracy, but in order to keep this thread on topic, should you want to continue on this subject, I&#8217;ll be happy to communicate somewhere else with you. Your own blog, perhaps? I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t have one myself.</p>
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		By: Bezuhov		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11687</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bezuhov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Goesh. And you. And everyone who somehow thinks that recognizing the utility of trust, cooperation, and other forms of positive-sum interaction is some sort of dewy-eyed Wilsonian naivete.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The coldest-eyed, hardest-hearted realist understands that without ideals around which to rally forces he is dead, and not in the long run...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goesh. And you. And everyone who somehow thinks that recognizing the utility of trust, cooperation, and other forms of positive-sum interaction is some sort of dewy-eyed Wilsonian naivete.</p>
<p>The coldest-eyed, hardest-hearted realist understands that without ideals around which to rally forces he is dead, and not in the long run&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11688</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who are you talking to Bez?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you talking to Bez?</p>
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		By: Bezuhov		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bezuhov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;yet we persist in thinking man is somehow exempt from the course of nature.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The lure of the positive-sum over the negative is nature in a nutshell. If it were not, this green earth would be a dead lump of minerals like the rest of the known universe. Try again.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Your philospohy minimizs dissappointment; it does not maximize truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;yet we persist in thinking man is somehow exempt from the course of nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>The lure of the positive-sum over the negative is nature in a nutshell. If it were not, this green earth would be a dead lump of minerals like the rest of the known universe. Try again.</p>
<p>Your philospohy minimizs dissappointment; it does not maximize truth.</p>
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		By: Timothy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11690</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[International pacts such as Kellog-Briand are important if you want to prosecute people for war crimes post war.  They provide the legal basis/foundation for trials.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If summary executions are more your thing, on the other hand, then you&#039;re right, who needs international law?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>International pacts such as Kellog-Briand are important if you want to prosecute people for war crimes post war.  They provide the legal basis/foundation for trials.</p>
<p>If summary executions are more your thing, on the other hand, then you&#8217;re right, who needs international law?</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11691</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everything I wrote, Sherman had written.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It is quite on purpose.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I already answered some of your nihilism charges, Bez, in the dueling post.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I didn&#039;t make a theory up, I was only commenting on the wave forms, the negative flows of history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything I wrote, Sherman had written.</p>
<p>It is quite on purpose.</p>
<p>I already answered some of your nihilism charges, Bez, in the dueling post.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t make a theory up, I was only commenting on the wave forms, the negative flows of history.</p>
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		By: Roy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11692</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it...&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Did you forget your attribution? I believe that is a direct quote from Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Roy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,</p>
<p>&#8220;You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you forget your attribution? I believe that is a direct quote from Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman.</p>
<p>Roy</p>
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		By: Goesh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Goesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[- like Woodrow Wilson and the League of Nations, when after the war to end all wars, man would unite in reason, rationality, brotherhood, empathy, understanding, compromise, negotiation, slobbery kisses and warm hugs and there would be no more war. Nature gives us cycles of upheaval, violence and chaos yet we persist in thinking man is somehow exempt from the course of nature. For every war there is at least one that did not occur by the same hands that create war. We live with plagues, tornados, hurricanes, brush fires, volcanos, tsunamis, earthquakes, drought, mudslides, blizzards and enemies, and we always will. Each visits chaos on us from time to time and there is always be a time for flight or fight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; like Woodrow Wilson and the League of Nations, when after the war to end all wars, man would unite in reason, rationality, brotherhood, empathy, understanding, compromise, negotiation, slobbery kisses and warm hugs and there would be no more war. Nature gives us cycles of upheaval, violence and chaos yet we persist in thinking man is somehow exempt from the course of nature. For every war there is at least one that did not occur by the same hands that create war. We live with plagues, tornados, hurricanes, brush fires, volcanos, tsunamis, earthquakes, drought, mudslides, blizzards and enemies, and we always will. Each visits chaos on us from time to time and there is always be a time for flight or fight.</p>
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		By: Bezuhov		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/20/peace-in-our-time-and-other-times-on/#comment-11694</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bezuhov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Man, Loyal Achates sure does love his delusions.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As for ymarsakar&#039;s nihilism, how does one fall without first rising? Your theory omits the mechanisms involved in the latter.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;People will indeed play negative-sum games if they&#039;re the only game in town. When positive-sum games are on offer, however, the negative-sum loses its allure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, Loyal Achates sure does love his delusions.</p>
<p>As for ymarsakar&#8217;s nihilism, how does one fall without first rising? Your theory omits the mechanisms involved in the latter.</p>
<p>People will indeed play negative-sum games if they&#8217;re the only game in town. When positive-sum games are on offer, however, the negative-sum loses its allure.</p>
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