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		By: gameboys 2007		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/09/first-sign-of-spring-ice-cream-in-new/#comment-11221</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have only heard frappay used facetiously, and even that many years ago.  The link discussion about iced and knocked in French got a little wearying, with people speculating a lot without actual knowledge.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In NH, ME, and Eastern MA at least, a frappe is with ice cream, a milk shake without.  Has been for years.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It can be hard to run down a good coffee frappe these days.  I keep hoping to find some place that will make &#039;em with Herrell&#039;s espresso ice cream (Steve Herrell founded both Steve&#039;s and later Herrell&#039;s, BTW).  Most older places will still do you a black &amp; white, though.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;SlippicanCottage:  another punchline to a similar joke is &quot;Just becahz the cat had her kitt&#039;ns in the oven doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;d call &#039;em biscuits.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only heard frappay used facetiously, and even that many years ago.  The link discussion about iced and knocked in French got a little wearying, with people speculating a lot without actual knowledge.</p>
<p>In NH, ME, and Eastern MA at least, a frappe is with ice cream, a milk shake without.  Has been for years.</p>
<p>It can be hard to run down a good coffee frappe these days.  I keep hoping to find some place that will make &#8217;em with Herrell&#8217;s espresso ice cream (Steve Herrell founded both Steve&#8217;s and later Herrell&#8217;s, BTW).  Most older places will still do you a black &#038; white, though.</p>
<p>SlippicanCottage:  another punchline to a similar joke is &#8220;Just becahz the cat had her kitt&#8217;ns in the oven doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;d call &#8217;em biscuits.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Will Franklin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Franklin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I live among hundreds of live oak trees in my neighborhood. Live oak trees lose their leaves just before growing new ones. In Spring. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So it seems like fall if you look at the ground. But it has felt like late Spring or early Summer for weeks now, temperature-wise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live among hundreds of live oak trees in my neighborhood. Live oak trees lose their leaves just before growing new ones. In Spring. </p>
<p>So it seems like fall if you look at the ground. But it has felt like late Spring or early Summer for weeks now, temperature-wise.</p>
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		By: Senescent Wasp		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/09/first-sign-of-spring-ice-cream-in-new/#comment-11223</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marvelous topic; history, economics and sweet treats. When I was very little, I can just barely remember the iceman servicing the older people in the neighborhood who didn&#039;t want to give up their iceboxes. He&#039;d pull a block out of the sawdust pile, grab it with his tongs and throw it over his shoulder onto the leather pad. And, walk it into the house.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Of course, by that time the ice wasn&#039;t harvested ice. The California icehouses were all very high on the mountain lakes, especially the Sierras. They not only supplied ice for home use but were instrumental in the growth of California&#039;s fruit and vegetable industry along with the insulated, ice chilled, railroad &quot;reefers&quot;.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Huge trains with many immense steam locomotives would crawl over the mountain passes shipping our fruit to eastern markets. I can remember looking at our winter Navel oranges and thinking, &quot;Whose Christmas stocking will you wind up in?&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Many of them never got any further than that since everybody carried a &quot;fruit knife&quot; in those days, especially kids who knew the bearing cycles of every non citrus fruit tree in the neighborhood. Is there anything better than slicing sunwarmed Royal Blenheim apricots into the can of the ice cream maker anticipating the taste of the product? And, then sharing the dasher with your brother as a reward for grinding away at the crank.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvelous topic; history, economics and sweet treats. When I was very little, I can just barely remember the iceman servicing the older people in the neighborhood who didn&#8217;t want to give up their iceboxes. He&#8217;d pull a block out of the sawdust pile, grab it with his tongs and throw it over his shoulder onto the leather pad. And, walk it into the house.</p>
<p>Of course, by that time the ice wasn&#8217;t harvested ice. The California icehouses were all very high on the mountain lakes, especially the Sierras. They not only supplied ice for home use but were instrumental in the growth of California&#8217;s fruit and vegetable industry along with the insulated, ice chilled, railroad &#8220;reefers&#8221;.</p>
<p>Huge trains with many immense steam locomotives would crawl over the mountain passes shipping our fruit to eastern markets. I can remember looking at our winter Navel oranges and thinking, &#8220;Whose Christmas stocking will you wind up in?&#8221;</p>
<p>Many of them never got any further than that since everybody carried a &#8220;fruit knife&#8221; in those days, especially kids who knew the bearing cycles of every non citrus fruit tree in the neighborhood. Is there anything better than slicing sunwarmed Royal Blenheim apricots into the can of the ice cream maker anticipating the taste of the product? And, then sharing the dasher with your brother as a reward for grinding away at the crank.</p>
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		By: Jamie Irons		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think this is one of the best pieces I&#039;ve read on the net in a long while.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As I haven&#039;t had time to read each comment carefully, forgive me if someone has already said this: spring starts in March because March 20 is (usually) the vernal (spring) equinox, the day when the sun in tracing its imaginary path along the ecliptic crosses from the southern into the northern celestial hemisphere, and we have exactly twelve hours of daylight and twelve of darkness. The cold lingers because of (mostly) the high specific heat of land and (especially) water, which take a while to warm up in the heat of the sun.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Remember Charles DeGaulle&#039;s calling the French nuclear deterrent his &lt;I&gt;force de frappe&lt;/I&gt;?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He wasn&#039;t talking about ice cream!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There&#039;s a wonderful passage in Thoreau&#039;s Walden about harvesting ice on Walden Pond, if I remember correctly.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Jamie Irons]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>I think this is one of the best pieces I&#8217;ve read on the net in a long while.</p>
<p>As I haven&#8217;t had time to read each comment carefully, forgive me if someone has already said this: spring starts in March because March 20 is (usually) the vernal (spring) equinox, the day when the sun in tracing its imaginary path along the ecliptic crosses from the southern into the northern celestial hemisphere, and we have exactly twelve hours of daylight and twelve of darkness. The cold lingers because of (mostly) the high specific heat of land and (especially) water, which take a while to warm up in the heat of the sun.</p>
<p>Remember Charles DeGaulle&#8217;s calling the French nuclear deterrent his <i>force de frappe</i>?</p>
<p>He wasn&#8217;t talking about ice cream!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a wonderful passage in Thoreau&#8217;s Walden about harvesting ice on Walden Pond, if I remember correctly.</p>
<p>Jamie Irons</p>
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		By: SippicanCottage		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/03/09/first-sign-of-spring-ice-cream-in-new/#comment-11225</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a lovely piece of local flavah. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I suspect the ice cream thing goes back to when we were the corner of the world with the corner on both ice and cream. All regional delicacies generally go back to a time when you ate it because it&#039;s what you had handy, and became traditionized. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This caught my eye:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;After all, I&#039;m not a New Englander (I&#039;ve only lived here about 35 years or so).&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There&#039;s a great story I vaguely remember, used to illustrate the insularity of the folks hereabouts, especially Martha&#039;s Vineyard. It&#039;s true, I think.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A woman was born on board a ship moored just offshore Martha&#039;s Vineyard that was bringing her family to live there. She was brought ashore the next day, lived her entire very long life on-island without ever leaving, raised a large family, and was generally a pillar of the community. When she finally died, her eulogist began:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&quot;She wasn&#039;t from around here, but...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lovely piece of local flavah. </p>
<p>I suspect the ice cream thing goes back to when we were the corner of the world with the corner on both ice and cream. All regional delicacies generally go back to a time when you ate it because it&#8217;s what you had handy, and became traditionized. </p>
<p>This caught my eye:</p>
<p>&#8220;After all, I&#8217;m not a New Englander (I&#8217;ve only lived here about 35 years or so).&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great story I vaguely remember, used to illustrate the insularity of the folks hereabouts, especially Martha&#8217;s Vineyard. It&#8217;s true, I think.</p>
<p>A woman was born on board a ship moored just offshore Martha&#8217;s Vineyard that was bringing her family to live there. She was brought ashore the next day, lived her entire very long life on-island without ever leaving, raised a large family, and was generally a pillar of the community. When she finally died, her eulogist began:</p>
<p>&#8220;She wasn&#8217;t from around here, but&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Mohammed Is A Woman, Peace Be Upon Her		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mohammed Is A Woman, Peace Be Upon Her]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lovers of Islam Unite! - Pancakes for Mohammed, peace be upon Her&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Keep your calendars open for Sunday, March 18th, at 11 AM for the first annual Pancakes for Mohammed, peace be upon Her, Sunday Pancake Fundraiser at Dennys. This is a great way to raise money for our Islam saving cause while eating great pancakes. And remember, “Hold the sausage please!”&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;For those of us who are trying to convince our Muslim brothers and sisters about the true gender of the Prophet, peace be upon Her, come out and speak up and bring a few shekels to donate. Also, be sure and bring your best drawing of the Prophet, peace be upon Her. I propose that each group vote on the best depiction of the Prophet, peace be upon Her and pay for the winning artist to eat for free.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Now remember, drawing the Prophet with a bomb on Her head has already been done, so please, choose something else.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;http://mohammedpeacebeuponherisawoman.blogspot.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovers of Islam Unite! &#8211; Pancakes for Mohammed, peace be upon Her</p>
<p>Keep your calendars open for Sunday, March 18th, at 11 AM for the first annual Pancakes for Mohammed, peace be upon Her, Sunday Pancake Fundraiser at Dennys. This is a great way to raise money for our Islam saving cause while eating great pancakes. And remember, “Hold the sausage please!”</p>
<p>For those of us who are trying to convince our Muslim brothers and sisters about the true gender of the Prophet, peace be upon Her, come out and speak up and bring a few shekels to donate. Also, be sure and bring your best drawing of the Prophet, peace be upon Her. I propose that each group vote on the best depiction of the Prophet, peace be upon Her and pay for the winning artist to eat for free.</p>
<p>Now remember, drawing the Prophet with a bomb on Her head has already been done, so please, choose something else.</p>
<p><a href="http://mohammedpeacebeuponherisawoman.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://mohammedpeacebeuponherisawoman.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		By: Mitch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The last icehouse on Lake Quannapowitt in Wakefield MA was just torn down about 15 years ago.  There was a great uproar, but it was just too far gone to save.  Transportation of ice, by the way, was the main reason behind the design of clipper ships — speed was essential.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And what could be more strange than eating ice cream in the New England &quot;spring&quot; (known locally as &quot;mud season&quot;)?  How about eating ice cream in the &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/01/18/icecream.shtml&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Russian&lt;/A&gt; winter?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last icehouse on Lake Quannapowitt in Wakefield MA was just torn down about 15 years ago.  There was a great uproar, but it was just too far gone to save.  Transportation of ice, by the way, was the main reason behind the design of clipper ships — speed was essential.</p>
<p>And what could be more strange than eating ice cream in the New England &#8220;spring&#8221; (known locally as &#8220;mud season&#8221;)?  How about eating ice cream in the <a HREF="http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/01/18/icecream.shtml" REL="nofollow">Russian</a> winter?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As far as I know, frappes are made with ice blended in and milkshakes aren&#039;t. So frappes are watery milkshakes. I think frozen custard has less milk in it than milkshakes and is thicker.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, frappes are made with ice blended in and milkshakes aren&#8217;t. So frappes are watery milkshakes. I think frozen custard has less milk in it than milkshakes and is thicker.</p>
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		By: camojack		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ben &amp; Jerry would be proud. But they&#039;re closer to the lakeshore (Champlain) than the seacoast...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben &#038; Jerry would be proud. But they&#8217;re closer to the lakeshore (Champlain) than the seacoast&#8230;</p>
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