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					<description><![CDATA[Hi. I was out blogging and found your site. It certainly got my attention and interest. I was looking for &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.bnbshoppersnetwork.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;clothes&lt;/A&gt; information and even though this isn&#039;t a perfect match I enjoyed your site.  Thanks for the read!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I was out blogging and found your site. It certainly got my attention and interest. I was looking for <a HREF="http://www.bnbshoppersnetwork.com" REL="nofollow">clothes</a> information and even though this isn&#8217;t a perfect match I enjoyed your site.  Thanks for the read!</p>
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		By: Scott Arthur Edwards		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Arthur Edwards]]></dc:creator>
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		By: grackle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grackle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’ve been thinking about the puzzling fact that most of the archived tapes, captured hard drives &amp; other material collected from the Saddam regime seem not to have been translated or otherwise investigated. It seems strange, considering the amount of fire received from anti-warriors in the US, that the administration would not be in a hurry to have this material analyzed. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One factor may be a lack of reliable personnel to translate &amp; review. In the past an administration would have given it all to the CIA but considering the shape of the CIA these days I think any current administration would hesitate to turn these materials over to them. After all, this is the same CIA that when asked to investigate yellowcake sales in Niger sent a person known to be hostile to the administration. That was no accident or coincidence; the people who run the CIA leave little to chance.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Indeed, the CIA is a compromised, untrustworthy, politicized organization with an agenda of its own &amp; can’t be trusted with sensitive tasks. Give routine duties to the CIA, jobs they can’t use to screw the Whitehouse. My believe is that the CIA will be gradually marginalized &amp; de-funded out of existence &amp; other organizations given the duties that would normally be CIA territory. Fifteen years from now the CIA may be only a memory. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Of course, any translators hired by the administration for the job would have to be thoroughly vetted &amp; that takes time. I’ve read suggestions that the tapes be handed over to the blogs to be translated but sensitive material of this sort is better left ‘in house’. No one knows what is contained in this material; some of the information could be injurious to national security.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In recent years archived WW2 material has been released that has to do with Truman’s decision to drop the bomb: &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;  http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/894mnyyl.asp&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Code-named “Ultra” by the British &amp; “Magic” by the US this material was withheld from public view until recent years because of the embarrassing fact that WW2 allies were secretly listened to in order to obtain the information even though they provide complete justification for Truman’s decision. Perhaps the administration &lt;I&gt;has&lt;/I&gt; translated a goodly portion of the Saddam tapes &amp; found something embarrassing to the US on them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been thinking about the puzzling fact that most of the archived tapes, captured hard drives &#038; other material collected from the Saddam regime seem not to have been translated or otherwise investigated. It seems strange, considering the amount of fire received from anti-warriors in the US, that the administration would not be in a hurry to have this material analyzed. </p>
<p>One factor may be a lack of reliable personnel to translate &#038; review. In the past an administration would have given it all to the CIA but considering the shape of the CIA these days I think any current administration would hesitate to turn these materials over to them. After all, this is the same CIA that when asked to investigate yellowcake sales in Niger sent a person known to be hostile to the administration. That was no accident or coincidence; the people who run the CIA leave little to chance.</p>
<p>Indeed, the CIA is a compromised, untrustworthy, politicized organization with an agenda of its own &#038; can’t be trusted with sensitive tasks. Give routine duties to the CIA, jobs they can’t use to screw the Whitehouse. My believe is that the CIA will be gradually marginalized &#038; de-funded out of existence &#038; other organizations given the duties that would normally be CIA territory. Fifteen years from now the CIA may be only a memory. </p>
<p>Of course, any translators hired by the administration for the job would have to be thoroughly vetted &#038; that takes time. I’ve read suggestions that the tapes be handed over to the blogs to be translated but sensitive material of this sort is better left ‘in house’. No one knows what is contained in this material; some of the information could be injurious to national security.</p>
<p>In recent years archived WW2 material has been released that has to do with Truman’s decision to drop the bomb: </p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/894mnyyl.asp" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/894mnyyl.asp</a></p>
<p>Code-named “Ultra” by the British &#038; “Magic” by the US this material was withheld from public view until recent years because of the embarrassing fact that WW2 allies were secretly listened to in order to obtain the information even though they provide complete justification for Truman’s decision. Perhaps the administration <i>has</i> translated a goodly portion of the Saddam tapes &#038; found something embarrassing to the US on them.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He has Osama Bin Laden on his side, does that count as an argument?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Osama is more polite to Bush than some Democrats... ain&#039;t that funny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has Osama Bin Laden on his side, does that count as an argument?</p>
<p>Osama is more polite to Bush than some Democrats&#8230; ain&#8217;t that funny.</p>
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		By: TalkinKamel		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anon:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That&#039;s the best you can do?  &quot;NEENER, NEENER, YOUR DREAMS ARE COMING DOWN, NYAAH, NYAAH!&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You really don&#039;t have any arguments, do you?  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As for dreams. . . I suspect you&#039;re still sulking because your own dream of the great Marxist Utopia/Workers Paradise/Big Rock Candy Mountain never came to pass, and projecting your own frustration onto us.  It&#039;s your dream that&#039;s dead, not ours.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the best you can do?  &#8220;NEENER, NEENER, YOUR DREAMS ARE COMING DOWN, NYAAH, NYAAH!&#8221;</p>
<p>You really don&#8217;t have any arguments, do you?  </p>
<p>As for dreams. . . I suspect you&#8217;re still sulking because your own dream of the great Marxist Utopia/Workers Paradise/Big Rock Candy Mountain never came to pass, and projecting your own frustration onto us.  It&#8217;s your dream that&#8217;s dead, not ours.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the psychological benefits to a propaganda machine is that it tends to alleviate the stress that civilians face in wartime. A lot of civilians and former veterans, really want to do something and see successes, like Larry. There will always be problems to face, but it is much better for the war effort if the propaganda machine can get everyone in the nation to focus their frustrations upon the enemy, rather than themselves or their neighbors.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Like vector physics, if one angle is going north and the other is going south, they will cancel out each other&#039;s momentum. We would go nowhere basically. In war, you don&#039;t want to be going no while, you want to be moving, somewhere, even if you don&#039;t know where. Simply because mobility, in any direction, is better than hesitation and paralysis of action.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The President&#039;s job, through proper propaganda techniques, is to get the entire nation moving FORWARD in a unified and coordinated way. He does so through human nature, through the sadness, the losses, and the patriotism that all humans are capable of feeling.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A divided house cannot stand, simply because the gravity pulls it apart. I remember when the Democrats kept saying Bush was a divider, not a uniter. Bush should have told them that  they wouldn&#039;t want him to be a uniter, because then everyone would agree with him and the media would stop propagandizing against his projects.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The way things stand now, most of our domestic propaganda apparatus in the form of blogs is actually used to counter-act OUR OWN PEOPLE.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is not only inefficient, it is dangerous. Because the psychological health of our citizens require that we divert our frustrations and angst toward the enemy, but if we do not do so, we would disintegrate from within.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Bush wouldn&#039;t know how to create an insurgency in Iraq. I wish he did, because then he WOULD be a uniter, and the national effort would be directed in one direction. True, we might not agree with that direction, as I did not agree with Roosevelt&#039;s, but at least we would have leadership, at least someone would know what the &lt;I&gt;hell&lt;/I&gt; they were doing in this war at the political level.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It does not do the morale of the American people to be left adrift, leadership, and responsible for our own actions in war. A military outfit would be similarly ineffective, if green. The good news is what the American people have faced many such wars and developed a couple of immunities.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thus, why we haven&#039;t been attacked. For as much as our energies are unfocused, we have a lot of that energy. Even if ours are unfocused, the energies of the military are. Though even the military lacks some will and expertise in necessary fields of war.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The only question is, how long can we actually hold out before something breaks in our defense?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Our military cannot destroy the terroist plans in the Middle East forever, eventually one will succede. If not from the ME, then from the European Union, our &quot;ally&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the psychological benefits to a propaganda machine is that it tends to alleviate the stress that civilians face in wartime. A lot of civilians and former veterans, really want to do something and see successes, like Larry. There will always be problems to face, but it is much better for the war effort if the propaganda machine can get everyone in the nation to focus their frustrations upon the enemy, rather than themselves or their neighbors.</p>
<p>Like vector physics, if one angle is going north and the other is going south, they will cancel out each other&#8217;s momentum. We would go nowhere basically. In war, you don&#8217;t want to be going no while, you want to be moving, somewhere, even if you don&#8217;t know where. Simply because mobility, in any direction, is better than hesitation and paralysis of action.</p>
<p>The President&#8217;s job, through proper propaganda techniques, is to get the entire nation moving FORWARD in a unified and coordinated way. He does so through human nature, through the sadness, the losses, and the patriotism that all humans are capable of feeling.</p>
<p>A divided house cannot stand, simply because the gravity pulls it apart. I remember when the Democrats kept saying Bush was a divider, not a uniter. Bush should have told them that  they wouldn&#8217;t want him to be a uniter, because then everyone would agree with him and the media would stop propagandizing against his projects.</p>
<p>The way things stand now, most of our domestic propaganda apparatus in the form of blogs is actually used to counter-act OUR OWN PEOPLE.</p>
<p>This is not only inefficient, it is dangerous. Because the psychological health of our citizens require that we divert our frustrations and angst toward the enemy, but if we do not do so, we would disintegrate from within.</p>
<p>Bush wouldn&#8217;t know how to create an insurgency in Iraq. I wish he did, because then he WOULD be a uniter, and the national effort would be directed in one direction. True, we might not agree with that direction, as I did not agree with Roosevelt&#8217;s, but at least we would have leadership, at least someone would know what the <i>hell</i> they were doing in this war at the political level.</p>
<p>It does not do the morale of the American people to be left adrift, leadership, and responsible for our own actions in war. A military outfit would be similarly ineffective, if green. The good news is what the American people have faced many such wars and developed a couple of immunities.</p>
<p>Thus, why we haven&#8217;t been attacked. For as much as our energies are unfocused, we have a lot of that energy. Even if ours are unfocused, the energies of the military are. Though even the military lacks some will and expertise in necessary fields of war.</p>
<p>The only question is, how long can we actually hold out before something breaks in our defense?</p>
<p>Our military cannot destroy the terroist plans in the Middle East forever, eventually one will succede. If not from the ME, then from the European Union, our &#8220;ally&#8221;.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grackle]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;“George certainly looked hard enough for them[WMD], so hard, in fact, that &lt;B&gt;he did as much to create the Iraqi insurgency, through neglect, as he did to liberate the Iraqis.”&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Typical anti-warrior rhetoric: America ‘created’ terrorists/Saddam/Stalin/Hitler/You Name It/, etc. &amp; mean, bad America &lt;I&gt;caused&lt;/I&gt; these nice folks to perform their murder &amp; mayhem. I guess this goes over great on the liberal blogs. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;We can all thank our lucky stars that folks that think like Marshall are not in charge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“George certainly looked hard enough for them[WMD], so hard, in fact, that <b>he did as much to create the Iraqi insurgency, through neglect, as he did to liberate the Iraqis.”</b></i></p>
<p>Typical anti-warrior rhetoric: America ‘created’ terrorists/Saddam/Stalin/Hitler/You Name It/, etc. &#038; mean, bad America <i>caused</i> these nice folks to perform their murder &#038; mayhem. I guess this goes over great on the liberal blogs. </p>
<p>We can all thank our lucky stars that folks that think like Marshall are not in charge.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grackle]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;As I remember the argument, it was that the WMD&#039;s existed, not that Saddam would like to have them, which was quite self-evident. In fact the actual argument was that the WMD&#039;s must exist because Saddam clearly would like to have them. The fallacy of this should also have been self-evident.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hey Marshall, from the above quote it looks as though you have forgotten that Saddam gassed the Kurds &amp; Iranians. What do you think Saddam did with the WMDs that he used to gas the Kurds?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As I remember the argument, it was that the WMD&#8217;s existed, not that Saddam would like to have them, which was quite self-evident. In fact the actual argument was that the WMD&#8217;s must exist because Saddam clearly would like to have them. The fallacy of this should also have been self-evident.</i></p>
<p>Hey Marshall, from the above quote it looks as though you have forgotten that Saddam gassed the Kurds &#038; Iranians. What do you think Saddam did with the WMDs that he used to gas the Kurds?</p>
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		By: Larry		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a Vietnam vet of 200+ combat missions over two years in the S E A theater, just so you all know &lt;BR/&gt;where I come from.  I think most of you here have short or convenient memories.  The main argument&lt;BR/&gt;for invading Iraq was that it had violated umpteen UN resolutions.  Iraq was violating any number&lt;BR/&gt;of conditions it agreed to in order to get a  cease-fire of GWI.  Not a truce; not a surrender; &lt;BR/&gt;not a war-terminating peace treaty, a cease-fire.  Among those resolutions and agreements was the &lt;BR/&gt;requirement to disarm and provide proof of same.  Iraq may or may not have failed to disarm, but &lt;BR/&gt;it certainly failed to document.  Claims of rush to war or that Iraq was successfully contained have &lt;BR/&gt;been shown to be pure bull bleep.  Twelve years is no rush, and our friends and allies arguing so, like&lt;BR/&gt;Russia, France, Germany, China and the UN itself have all been shown to be on Saddam&#039;s payroll. &lt;BR/&gt;They undoubtedly would have continued to push for lifting the sanctions, sooner rather than later.  &lt;BR/&gt;What then?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Now, we are in Iraq.  Nearly three years down the road, many of you are still bleating, blathering &lt;BR/&gt;and bloviating about why we shouldn&#039;t be.  Get over it!  If you can&#039;t be part of the solution, you are &lt;BR/&gt;part of the problem.  Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Vietnam vet of 200+ combat missions over two years in the S E A theater, just so you all know <br />where I come from.  I think most of you here have short or convenient memories.  The main argument<br />for invading Iraq was that it had violated umpteen UN resolutions.  Iraq was violating any number<br />of conditions it agreed to in order to get a  cease-fire of GWI.  Not a truce; not a surrender; <br />not a war-terminating peace treaty, a cease-fire.  Among those resolutions and agreements was the <br />requirement to disarm and provide proof of same.  Iraq may or may not have failed to disarm, but <br />it certainly failed to document.  Claims of rush to war or that Iraq was successfully contained have <br />been shown to be pure bull bleep.  Twelve years is no rush, and our friends and allies arguing so, like<br />Russia, France, Germany, China and the UN itself have all been shown to be on Saddam&#8217;s payroll. <br />They undoubtedly would have continued to push for lifting the sanctions, sooner rather than later.  <br />What then?</p>
<p>Now, we are in Iraq.  Nearly three years down the road, many of you are still bleating, blathering <br />and bloviating about why we shouldn&#8217;t be.  Get over it!  If you can&#8217;t be part of the solution, you are <br />part of the problem.  Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.</p>
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