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		By: Wild Pony		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/14/iran-victor-davis-hanson-on-case/#comment-8690</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wild Pony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Keep up the good work, you are providing a great resource! Regards,&lt;BR/&gt; &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.horseoutlet.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wild Pony&lt;/A&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the good work, you are providing a great resource! Regards,<br /> <a HREF="http://www.horseoutlet.com" REL="nofollow">Wild Pony</a></p>
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		By: Active Observer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/14/iran-victor-davis-hanson-on-case/#comment-8691</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the best solution is to bomb Iran&#039;s reactors now and suffer the consequences. I have a feeling the consequences would be fairly severe.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Let me present an alternate viewpoint. Would Iran actually use an atomic bomb on Israel if they had one? If they did, it would be suicide - the U.S. would be entirely justified (and capable) of using nuclear weapons to wipe Iran off the map. Despite the tradition of suicide bombers among militant Islamic fundamentalists, it&#039;s hard for me to imagine the entire country committing suicide.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sadly, a lesson of the ill-fated and ill-concieved invasion of Iraq was that if you are on America&#039;s short list of enemies, you should get yourself a nuclear bomb quick. If you have one, we&#039;re not going to risk invading your country. It worked for North Korea, and it may work for Iran.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Let&#039;s take a longer view. Nuclear weapons are unimaginably terrifying, but unfortunately they may not be the last word in weapons. Bioterrorism, particularly engineered organisms, may prove to be cheaper, more effective and easier to make than nuclear wepons. There may be other nano-weapons in our future. The future is going to be a dangerous place, even more dangerous than it is now. In the future, we may not be able to simply bomb a country&#039;s weapon-making facilities out of existence.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Perhaps we need another solution instead of trying to grind our enemies into dust, which isn&#039;t working very well in my opinion. Step one would be to ween ourselves off a shrinking resource that&#039;s mostly located in the Middle East.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the best solution is to bomb Iran&#8217;s reactors now and suffer the consequences. I have a feeling the consequences would be fairly severe.</p>
<p>Let me present an alternate viewpoint. Would Iran actually use an atomic bomb on Israel if they had one? If they did, it would be suicide &#8211; the U.S. would be entirely justified (and capable) of using nuclear weapons to wipe Iran off the map. Despite the tradition of suicide bombers among militant Islamic fundamentalists, it&#8217;s hard for me to imagine the entire country committing suicide.</p>
<p>Sadly, a lesson of the ill-fated and ill-concieved invasion of Iraq was that if you are on America&#8217;s short list of enemies, you should get yourself a nuclear bomb quick. If you have one, we&#8217;re not going to risk invading your country. It worked for North Korea, and it may work for Iran.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a longer view. Nuclear weapons are unimaginably terrifying, but unfortunately they may not be the last word in weapons. Bioterrorism, particularly engineered organisms, may prove to be cheaper, more effective and easier to make than nuclear wepons. There may be other nano-weapons in our future. The future is going to be a dangerous place, even more dangerous than it is now. In the future, we may not be able to simply bomb a country&#8217;s weapon-making facilities out of existence.</p>
<p>Perhaps we need another solution instead of trying to grind our enemies into dust, which isn&#8217;t working very well in my opinion. Step one would be to ween ourselves off a shrinking resource that&#8217;s mostly located in the Middle East.</p>
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		By: Red A		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/14/iran-victor-davis-hanson-on-case/#comment-8692</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why are you guys worrying?&lt;BR/&gt;In 2009, Hillary will be president and the Iranians will of course stop making these weapons since they won&#039;t need them to defend themselves from Bush.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Not to mention, the Europeans will finally get some help from us and the talks will succeed.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In fact, Iran will become a protestant country then too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you guys worrying?<br />In 2009, Hillary will be president and the Iranians will of course stop making these weapons since they won&#8217;t need them to defend themselves from Bush.</p>
<p>Not to mention, the Europeans will finally get some help from us and the talks will succeed.</p>
<p>In fact, Iran will become a protestant country then too.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/14/iran-victor-davis-hanson-on-case/#comment-8693</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The one thing Iran is doing, is buying time. For what, no one knows except the Iranians.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing Iran is doing, is buying time. For what, no one knows except the Iranians.</p>
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		By: Kalvan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kalvan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The US developed a nuclear weapon in about three years of concerted effort with no outside help.  The Iranians have been working on this for 15 years and have had Soviet and Chinese assistance.  I am not sanguine that they do not already have the bomb.  The only real reason I can see that we don&#039;t think they have one is they haven&#039;t used it yet.  What if they&#039;ve already got it and are just waiting until they have a number of them and a missile delivery system before they employ them?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US developed a nuclear weapon in about three years of concerted effort with no outside help.  The Iranians have been working on this for 15 years and have had Soviet and Chinese assistance.  I am not sanguine that they do not already have the bomb.  The only real reason I can see that we don&#8217;t think they have one is they haven&#8217;t used it yet.  What if they&#8217;ve already got it and are just waiting until they have a number of them and a missile delivery system before they employ them?</p>
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		By: Steve J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why do anything now or in the near future?  At the worst, Iran will have a nuclear weapon in 2009.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do anything now or in the near future?  At the worst, Iran will have a nuclear weapon in 2009.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find it enlightening how one commentator noticed that Israel didn&#039;t have enough smart bomb infrastructure to take out Iranian facilities. Yet he believed the US could successfully create a ruse using Pakistani planes.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Enlightening in the sense, that regardless of how many people want a solution, the only people with the information critical to real solutions is the President. Empowered to do just such things.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;To Megan, I always believe there is a way. If there is a will.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;All problems have solutions, but not every solution solves the problem you want.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;History will tell whether our trust in Condi Rice and George W. Bush were justified.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it enlightening how one commentator noticed that Israel didn&#8217;t have enough smart bomb infrastructure to take out Iranian facilities. Yet he believed the US could successfully create a ruse using Pakistani planes.</p>
<p>Enlightening in the sense, that regardless of how many people want a solution, the only people with the information critical to real solutions is the President. Empowered to do just such things.</p>
<p>To Megan, I always believe there is a way. If there is a will.</p>
<p>All problems have solutions, but not every solution solves the problem you want.</p>
<p>History will tell whether our trust in Condi Rice and George W. Bush were justified.</p>
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		By: strcpy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anytime you have a &quot;rogue&quot; (well, assuming I got the right spelling - you know what I mean) nation those are pretty much you only choices everytime - just the actors change.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You can ignore, sanction, or attack. Ignoring never works, sanctions/discussions only work if the govt in question gives a flip for it&#039;s people (and is why this is used in cases like the US and Sweden - neither of us want our own populace killed so talks will eventually work and is why it fails in places like Iran where his people death is irrelevant - It&#039;s like threatening to never feed me broccoli again unless I do something - so? I hate brocolli), and attack will always work in the short term (long term depends on how after the attack is handled and how the people feel). &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The same thing is true if you have two (or more) entities commited to genocide of each other. You can ignore, pick a side, or conquer and rule both sides. Ignoring supports who ever ends up strongest. Picking a side means you are killing many on the other (even if you chosoe to protect one side and sanction the other - your just doing it indirectly, though to many they can easily not notice that), and becoming thier dictators just delays the inevitable and will have both sides hate you and kill you until you do one of the other options. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;To pretend there are any other options and persue them only kills more and causes more suffering until it degenerates into one of those causes.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This also generally extends out into conflicts in general, you just need to use more general terms than &quot;sanction&quot; (talk it out) or &quot;attack&quot; (use force - physical or verbal). You can also tack on &quot;surrender&quot; which usually isn&#039;t much of an option so I didn&#039;t really discuss it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime you have a &#8220;rogue&#8221; (well, assuming I got the right spelling &#8211; you know what I mean) nation those are pretty much you only choices everytime &#8211; just the actors change.</p>
<p>You can ignore, sanction, or attack. Ignoring never works, sanctions/discussions only work if the govt in question gives a flip for it&#8217;s people (and is why this is used in cases like the US and Sweden &#8211; neither of us want our own populace killed so talks will eventually work and is why it fails in places like Iran where his people death is irrelevant &#8211; It&#8217;s like threatening to never feed me broccoli again unless I do something &#8211; so? I hate brocolli), and attack will always work in the short term (long term depends on how after the attack is handled and how the people feel). </p>
<p>The same thing is true if you have two (or more) entities commited to genocide of each other. You can ignore, pick a side, or conquer and rule both sides. Ignoring supports who ever ends up strongest. Picking a side means you are killing many on the other (even if you chosoe to protect one side and sanction the other &#8211; your just doing it indirectly, though to many they can easily not notice that), and becoming thier dictators just delays the inevitable and will have both sides hate you and kill you until you do one of the other options. </p>
<p>To pretend there are any other options and persue them only kills more and causes more suffering until it degenerates into one of those causes.</p>
<p>This also generally extends out into conflicts in general, you just need to use more general terms than &#8220;sanction&#8221; (talk it out) or &#8220;attack&#8221; (use force &#8211; physical or verbal). You can also tack on &#8220;surrender&#8221; which usually isn&#8217;t much of an option so I didn&#8217;t really discuss it.</p>
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		By: douglas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Given the volume of discussion here lately, re: dealing with Iran, and what that might mean, strategically, tactically, and most importantly, ethically, I must reccommend this paper by LTC Peter R. Faber, United States Air Force Academy:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;http://www.duke.edu/jscope/&lt;BR/&gt;papfab.htm&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;(h/t prof. bainbridge)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the volume of discussion here lately, re: dealing with Iran, and what that might mean, strategically, tactically, and most importantly, ethically, I must reccommend this paper by LTC Peter R. Faber, United States Air Force Academy:<br /><i><a href="http://www.duke.edu/jscope/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.duke.edu/jscope/</a><br />papfab.htm</i><br />(h/t prof. bainbridge)</p>
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		By: Megan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am truly worried about this situation. Does it seem like history repeating itself? A madman who thinks he is the next messiah and ruler of the world... who wants to destroy the Jews. And was completely open about it, yet no one took him seriously. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Only this time it&#039;s worse because this madman has (or will have) nukes. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But truly what can be done? I see no way to stop his manic drive and I don&#039;t see (from all that I&#039;ve read) that he plans to get these nukes and just hold on to them. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There&#039;s this sinking pit in my stomach.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am truly worried about this situation. Does it seem like history repeating itself? A madman who thinks he is the next messiah and ruler of the world&#8230; who wants to destroy the Jews. And was completely open about it, yet no one took him seriously. </p>
<p>Only this time it&#8217;s worse because this madman has (or will have) nukes. </p>
<p>But truly what can be done? I see no way to stop his manic drive and I don&#8217;t see (from all that I&#8217;ve read) that he plans to get these nukes and just hold on to them. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s this sinking pit in my stomach.</p>
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