Comments on: The world wakes up to Iran? https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/ A blog about political change, among other things Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:26:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8588 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8588 Nothing Tequila has said disproves my point. Portraying Iran’s theocracy as sovereign is one position, I think sovereignty comes from the people, however, not from dictators, theocrats, or the elites.

Trying to obscure this fact with subtlety is not going to work. Not against me, at least.

I have the best interests of the people in mind, applying free will. Tequila has the interests of the nation in mind, as in nationalism.

With that kind of difference in opinion, it isn’t surprising there isn’t any agreement between your position and mine.

No nation has a right to do anything it cannot enforce with military might. The only things that have rights are individuals. People forget that for a reason.

It has always been the case that weak nation A has the right to declare independence, while strong nation B has the right to stop that declaration. International law over who is right and wrong, is arbitrated by pure naked force between nations.

Israel isn’t something that I worry about. They can take care of themselves now, and they are beginning to understand that to theirs and the Palestinian’s benefit.

My loyalty is to the US, not to Israel. People don’t understand that Iran needs nukes to stop Iraqi democracy, not Jewish siege mentality.

]]> By: Anonymous https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8589 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8589 Anonymous. The grown-ups prevailed before. See “Munich, 1938”.
Or see the failure to end Nazism in the Rhineland in 1936.

Yeah, like any muslim country’s going to obliterate and irradiate Palestine. Iran’s president’s just a conservative idiot, of the middle-east variety.

]]> By: tequilamockingbird https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8590 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8590 Ymarsakar: You said, “Since we can’t even agree on how a dictatorship and theocracy is “sovereign”, it tends to follow that agreeing on anything else is counter-productive.”

Sorry, but I was going on the assumption that Iran is a sovereign country entitled to make its own way, whether or not that way is friendly to U.S. business interests. Your message is such an oversimplification of my post I don’t think it deserves discussion.

In your eyes, does Iran not have a right to develop — PEACEFUL, PEACEFUL — nuclear power? If you’re rational, I think you have to agree that it does.
Can you admit that, and can the debate progress from there?

I’m certainly open to your arguments; I don’t want a nuclear pistol aimed at Israel’s head.

Western intelligence was so unbelievably unintelligent that Indian and Pakistani nuclear weapons came as a complete surprise.

Damn! I know you won’t admit any kind of failure, because you guys never give a inch. (I know it’s not grammatical; read the book.)

tequilamockingbird

]]> By: tequilamockingbird https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8591 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8591 Hey, Motor 1560, here you are, putting forward positions (open for others to comment on and discuss) rather than just condemning everyone whose beliefs are different from yours! Good for you! Well done!

tequilamockingbird

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8592 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8592 Since we can’t even agree on how a dictatorship and theocracy is “sovereign”, it tends to follow that agreeing on anything else is counter-productive.

It’s funny, Tequila thinks a theocracy has a right to do anything that appears innocent while oppressing their people, while the leader of the free world doesn’t have the right to be believed.

That’s one way to side with terroist sponsoring Iran and another way to hit one against Bush. If one wants to keep score, and certainly Tequila is appearing to, that is.

]]> By: Richard Aubrey https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8593 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8593 PG. I’m not mixing wars.
I’m comparing ways to address potential wars.
Let’s presume that stopping Hitler in 1936 had cost 5000 lives. How many of that type of op would you be willing to see if the result was that one of them, but you didn’t know which one, would prevent WW II? 50,000 lives?
It was tougher in 1936, since WW II hadn’t happened, of course.
But we do have the benefit of experience.

]]> By: tequilamockingbird https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8594 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8594 Iran? I’ve been so focused on U.S. depredations on Iraq for so many years, Iran has escaped my notice — except for the fact that Iran and North Korea were far more deserving of U.S. opposition — perhaps militarily — than was Iraq. Now that Iran seems to be the next nation in America’s sights, I guess I’ll have to give it some attention.

I’m jumping in at the end of this 44-message thread, so forgive me for not being up to speed; I’ll go back and work my way through it. One thing I’d like to estabish, though: Are we all agreed that Iran, as a sovereign nation and signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, has an absolute right to exploit its uranium resources and develop nuclear power for peaceful domestic purposes? It must be only when they move on to weapons development that they’re crossing the line?

One thing’s for sure: Even if the Bush administration didn’t lie about Iraq, they cherry-picked and exaggerated and misled to such a degree that they have forfeited any right to be believed on the Iran situation. I’ll ignore everything they have to say, and I’ll go with the IAEA and Al-Baradei, thanks.

tequilamockingbird

]]> By: Pappa Georgio https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8595 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8595 Richard:
Dont mix your “War on Terror” with the nazi movment. Hitler would roll over in his grave if he know what is being said.

Neo-cons belive they have the power to rid of evil. How small minded can you be?

Whats that? you just want to quarantine them? Fat chance.

Man is savage period. Whether its the western elite or Bin ladin’s trubin troopers. This is about world dominations. Like Poland we are caught in between them.

But then again why should
Neo-cons give a damn. They are truly proud to be robbed of reality.

]]> By: Richard Aubrey https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8596 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8596 Anonymous. The grown-ups prevailed before. See “Munich, 1938”.
Or see the failure to end Nazism in the Rhineland in 1936.

]]> By: Anonymous https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/12/world-wakes-up-to-iran/#comment-8597 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/world-wakes-up-to-iran.html#comment-8597 Hopefully the grown ups will find a diplomatic solution and spoil your bloody party.

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