Comments on: A mind in the first throes of change? https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/ A blog about political change, among other things Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:27:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.1 By: Scott A. Edwards https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8504 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8504 Are you tired of getting nice compliments on your blog, when really you’re not makeng the kind of money that you deserve? Now you can join a completely FREE program. No buying and No selling. FREE to join. All you do is refer customers. To get started fast, click here: internet wealth site. It pretty much covers internet wealth related stuff and it’s FREE to join.

]]> By: Brad https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8505 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8505 Troutsky,
Yes, a challenging discussion is the point, and many of your comments are interesting. It is never my intention to insult someone, as I did in the last post; however, the numerous comments in many threads (from you and others) that presuppose ignorance are very insulting themselves. This is not a forum for high school students, and most, if not all, the folks here are very conscious of recent history and current events. Moreover, most of those who comment here have viewed the world from a left/liberal perspective in the past, and are familiar with Marxist arguments; thus, they are not unaware of how and what the opposition think and know. One of the most damnable elements of the leftist perspective is the deeply held belief that knowledge is the key to people’s worldviews; that if someone doesn’t see human society or history or economics though the “virtuous” lens of PC leftism (actually elitism), it is because they are ignorant of the “truth.” This is simply not the case: Two people can have the same knowledge base, similar experiences and be equally intelligent, and come to very different conclusions on any number of questions. So join the fray, make goods points, and challenge the debate, but be respectful of the folks you debate with, and don’t resort to arguments that we have heard for decades or spam out “facts” of which we are all aware.

]]> By: Anonymous https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8506 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8506 Troutsky;

Let me clue you in to the harsh truth;
They are choosing to ignore you not because what you profess to be “your” ideas are challenging; but because they are just dumb.

Does any serious person over 20 really still believe in Marxism?!! I’m 43, and recognized at 19 what a crock it was.

Color me amused. I’ll still read your comments though, for the humor aspect.

]]> By: troutsky https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8507 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8507 Goesh, brad and others, Im sorry you would rather dismiss me than engage,on my blog or here, but such is the power of framing an issue within sideboards of your own creation. If you would rather discuss within self imposed limits, so be it.I know my ideas are challenging but i thought that was the point.

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8508 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8508 Don’t feed the trolls, unless you can psyche them out. And to do that, requires propaganda. Anyone got any good propaganda posts?

Gee, I guess I hit a nerve with all of these neo-cons pouncing on my mention of the culture of political corruption that doesn’t just involve one or two of their beloved icons but pervades the entire GOP congress.

I’ll tell you the secret of propagandists. The more you write to them, the more I understand your viewpoint and how to muddle it up with a mix of truth and falsity. And propaganda is the Democrat’s strong point, make no mistake about that.

Go to Mesopotamia, the Iraqi blog, and you will see debates between terroist supporters and Marines and it doesn’t get anywhere. You can’t win in an arrogance contest with a Frenchmen, what are you, insane?

The more you write, the more material they can pick from to create a double reality layer. Trust me, it works. And people use it. Or vice a versa.

People got to go back to the Jacksonian tradition here. Honorable opponents need to be treated honorably. Dishonorable opponents don’t get jack. Honesty as a virtue means lying to the enemy and telling the people you protect the truth.

Flexibility is not a character flaw, as the fanatic liberals might want you to believe.

Take my advice, and it might make for a better environment in this thread. Which has been so far full of insightful and enlightening comments, by logical and reasonable people of many backgrounds with real useful information to contribute.

Honest discussion is between honest people. First you have to find some honest person. If you want to just have fun, and trade lies, then I’ll want to get a piece of that too, you know. Lies are fun, so hard to craft and so useful to learn.

But most Republicans and American citizens want to treat everyone as an equal. Others don’t. Some people are nice and others aren’t. Especially in France.

Look, this is like the advice Neo gave. Except in reverse. Speak your piece and let your friends decide for themselves if they are worthy of your friendship or not. Do the same thing to people you talk to on the internet. Everyone’s actions determine how they should be treated, with kindness or with disappointment.

I’ll tell you a story. Hitler once thought America was big and powerful and just. Why? Because he thought we enslaved the blacks and that is how it should be done. Then he saw how we put blacks into our military and he realized that we were “mixing” the blood of Pure Aryans with filthy inferiors, so he thought we were weak. And so he declared war.

Does anyone think that telling Hitler that America was strong precisely because we didn’t care about blood and purity, would have convinced him from his fanaticism?

Humans are not convinced by words. They are convinced by deeds. And unless you’re going to go over and put a gun into Hitler’s balls, he ain’t going to change his beliefs. Heck, he still wouldn’t. Neither would Osama.

Makes no sense. But still, that’s just how humans are. Don’t let it get to you, life’s too short to worry about things like this. It’s nice to see people wanting to put a lot of energy into writing, but come on, surely there is something that is more worthy of your energies, fellow commentators?

]]> By: Motor 1560 https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8509 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8509 Self aggrandizement, just like every other thread.

]]> By: Brad https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8510 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8510 Motor,
It is more than Troutsky’s claim to Marxism that takes him “out of the discussion,” it is his laughably superficial understanding of it. The posts on his site (and comments here) read like stuff written by a “developmentally disabled progressive teenager.” I doubt that he even understands the intimate connection between Rousseau and Marx, and what it has wrought. The comments here, or anywhere, should reflect something of an intelligent dialogue, and nobody has an argument that is immune from rational critique and refutation (as Aqualung seems to think): I left a poorly constructed comment a while back that was properly taken to task by some anon in the know. That’s how it should work. All this repetitive, off-topic shouting (and spamming; think Steve J.) and strident reductionism collapse the comment threads into heaps of inanity. Moreover, the ridiculous “politically correct” lectures about recent history (Cuba, “Northern Mexico,” etc.) are so completely out of context with the totality of human history that they are meaningless. What was this thread about?

]]> By: Anonymous https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8511 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8511 I don’t see how self-proclaimed leftists like Freedland can call themselves liberal. Liberal means open to new ideas and a willingness to change. The group-think he describes regarding Bush, sounds very illiberal to me.

A true liberal recognized from the start the possibility that Bush’s policies might be right. Only a narrow-minded ideologist would have rejected that possibilty outright.

Anyone who claims to know for CERTAIN that Bush’s policy to invade Iraq was wrong is either endowed with the Cassandra-like ability to see the future, or is kidding himself.

]]> By: Goesh https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8512 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8512 It’s my day to ramble, no doubt. Motor 1560, I had my Marxist fling years ago and outgrew it but Trotsky continues to flail away with a decayed ideology much like an old-fashioned farmer would plow with mules expecting to compete in the world of mechanized agriculture. I hope he totally ingores me as I do him. I hope when he sees my name he automatically skips down to the next respondent.

]]> By: Motor 1560 https://thenewneo.com/2006/01/10/mind-in-first-throes-of-change/#comment-8513 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/01/mind-in-first-throes-of-change.html#comment-8513 brinster said: Was Dr. Dean lying when he said that no Democrats had taken bribes from Abramoff?

No, he was simply giving the marching orders. Any money taken by Demorats was simply “something else” and beneath discussion.

troutsky said: You should also know that when Geras speaks of principled leftists he isnt (sic)talking about confused liberals like Freedland, he means the left which uses a Marxist analysis to describe US actions in Iraq as a war of imperialism.Include me.

The Trout has just taken himself out of the discussion. From his profile, I see that he has a considerable investment in Marxist analysis. This is a delusional state that has proven very resistant to any known treatment. It is a virus that takes over the entire organism. It may write what, superficially, may look like a common language but when dissected is based on assumptions made in an earlier age (e.g. Imperialism as a relevant meme) that are no longer relevant. There are several mutant strains of this virus.

In modern organisms it has been severely attenuated. Organisms completely taken over by one of the purer, older strains are dying out for the most part. Freedland, in all likelihood was infected early but his intellectual immune system is fighting the virus and may even throw it off completely.

Only people with weak intellectual immune systems are likely to be infected by Trout’s strain because the hatcheries are no longer producing pure strain Marxists.

So, he may be safely ignored since he is only minimally infectious and will soon remove himself from the gene pool.

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