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		By: Christopher		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/11/23/talking-to-conservatives/#comment-6792</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really don&#039;t see the difference between either liberal or conservative supporters--the bigotry is the same just different keywords and pet causes. Disagree with either and you get the same reaction--hostility.&lt;BR/&gt;While it is easy to see the failures that came from and are the final result of the leftist ideas of the past--it isn&#039;t much of a chore to see the shortcomings from the Right either.&lt;BR/&gt;The Left was able to break the narrow bigoted mindview of the right--but failed miserably to respond with anything other than failed ideas from the world&#039;s past, that fail to take advantage of humanity&#039;s great ability to invent solutions to any problem (capitalism)--and ignored human nature in that we are just not all equal by any means.To try and offer One Size Fits None solutions to fix the problems at the time was shortsighted at best--and doomed to failure. &lt;BR/&gt;The Right actually evolved from what it once was and began to make changes.Offer ideas.&lt;BR/&gt;Whether they end up like the old Left remains to be seen. To my eyes they are falling in the same trap--unquestioning of anything they believe true and refusing to criticize or take resonsibility for their methods or any of the results.&lt;BR/&gt;Personally I will leave the past where it belongs,in the past--an example of what NOT to do, and move on.&lt;BR/&gt;Nice blog!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t see the difference between either liberal or conservative supporters&#8211;the bigotry is the same just different keywords and pet causes. Disagree with either and you get the same reaction&#8211;hostility.<br />While it is easy to see the failures that came from and are the final result of the leftist ideas of the past&#8211;it isn&#8217;t much of a chore to see the shortcomings from the Right either.<br />The Left was able to break the narrow bigoted mindview of the right&#8211;but failed miserably to respond with anything other than failed ideas from the world&#8217;s past, that fail to take advantage of humanity&#8217;s great ability to invent solutions to any problem (capitalism)&#8211;and ignored human nature in that we are just not all equal by any means.To try and offer One Size Fits None solutions to fix the problems at the time was shortsighted at best&#8211;and doomed to failure. <br />The Right actually evolved from what it once was and began to make changes.Offer ideas.<br />Whether they end up like the old Left remains to be seen. To my eyes they are falling in the same trap&#8211;unquestioning of anything they believe true and refusing to criticize or take resonsibility for their methods or any of the results.<br />Personally I will leave the past where it belongs,in the past&#8211;an example of what NOT to do, and move on.<br />Nice blog!</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/11/23/talking-to-conservatives/#comment-6793</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;B&gt;Interesting question, impossible to answer with total knowledge, of course, since one can&#039;t take a trip back in time. I&#039;ve been critical here of liberals who are intolerant of conservatives or centrists (I consider myself one of the latter). So, did I used to be equally intolerant? How would I react were my previous self to meet my present self--would I slap my own face and walk off in a huff?&lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It has been my experience that a person&#039;s template personality is formed at around 20ish. After that, it&#039;s all about the trimmings and the brush ups, but the core template is not changeable. Therefore, a person with a strong will will always remain a person with strong will, regardless of how his objectives have changed.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And a kind, compassionate, thought person will still be that, even after traumatic experiences.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The exception, as one might deduce, is what happens when the traumatic experience is before the middle to early 20s. That kind of variation produces a different foundational personality.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So, I would presume you would have just been as thoughtful, and kind, as you are now towards liberals, as you would have been towards conservatives when you were a liberal.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If the conservatives were pleasant, and logical, if not agreeable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Interesting question, impossible to answer with total knowledge, of course, since one can&#8217;t take a trip back in time. I&#8217;ve been critical here of liberals who are intolerant of conservatives or centrists (I consider myself one of the latter). So, did I used to be equally intolerant? How would I react were my previous self to meet my present self&#8211;would I slap my own face and walk off in a huff?</b></p>
<p>It has been my experience that a person&#8217;s template personality is formed at around 20ish. After that, it&#8217;s all about the trimmings and the brush ups, but the core template is not changeable. Therefore, a person with a strong will will always remain a person with strong will, regardless of how his objectives have changed.</p>
<p>And a kind, compassionate, thought person will still be that, even after traumatic experiences.</p>
<p>The exception, as one might deduce, is what happens when the traumatic experience is before the middle to early 20s. That kind of variation produces a different foundational personality.</p>
<p>So, I would presume you would have just been as thoughtful, and kind, as you are now towards liberals, as you would have been towards conservatives when you were a liberal.</p>
<p>If the conservatives were pleasant, and logical, if not agreeable.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/11/23/talking-to-conservatives/#comment-6794</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you want to talk about liberal hostility, try being a conservative gay man.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt; I am also a post 9/11 conservative. I was a &quot;closet&quot; conservative for some time before 9/11 but  never mentioned it in social circles.  After 9/11, I had to speak up.  Since then I have been called a self-hating homosexual &quot;Aunt Mary&quot;, the gay equivalent of an Uncle Tom.  Good friends of mine (so I thought) quit speaking to me.  So much for tolerance. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I always go back to &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://prismwarden.blogspot.com/2005/09/because-were-gay-not-stupid.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/A&gt; for inspiration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to talk about liberal hostility, try being a conservative gay man.</p>
<p> I am also a post 9/11 conservative. I was a &#8220;closet&#8221; conservative for some time before 9/11 but  never mentioned it in social circles.  After 9/11, I had to speak up.  Since then I have been called a self-hating homosexual &#8220;Aunt Mary&#8221;, the gay equivalent of an Uncle Tom.  Good friends of mine (so I thought) quit speaking to me.  So much for tolerance. </p>
<p>I always go back to <a HREF="http://prismwarden.blogspot.com/2005/09/because-were-gay-not-stupid.html" REL="nofollow">this post</a> for inspiration.</p>
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		By: JensDensen		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/11/23/talking-to-conservatives/#comment-6795</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erm, ever checked out the libertarians by the way?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm, ever checked out the libertarians by the way?</p>
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		By: Solomon2		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/11/23/talking-to-conservatives/#comment-6796</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;back when I was a liberal Democrat, if I&#039;d met a group composed mostly of conservatives, and had talked politics with them (or anything else, for that matter), what would my reaction have been?&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I never remember meeting a &lt;I&gt;group&lt;/I&gt;, but I remember my reaction upon meeting &lt;I&gt;one&lt;/I&gt;:  &lt;B&gt;I accused him of being too short to have his opinion matter.  &lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He never spoke to me again.  I was deeply ashamed, but what else can a good liberal say?  Criticize the part of his hair, maybe?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>back when I was a liberal Democrat, if I&#8217;d met a group composed mostly of conservatives, and had talked politics with them (or anything else, for that matter), what would my reaction have been?</i></p>
<p>I never remember meeting a <i>group</i>, but I remember my reaction upon meeting <i>one</i>:  <b>I accused him of being too short to have his opinion matter.  </b></p>
<p>He never spoke to me again.  I was deeply ashamed, but what else can a good liberal say?  Criticize the part of his hair, maybe?</p>
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		By: TmjUtah		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/11/23/talking-to-conservatives/#comment-6797</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All things being equal I would probably decline the company of viciously bigoted, racist, chauvinistic, theocratic, intellectually vacuous, and economically illiterate peasants if I had the choice.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Since that list seems to encompass the operative definition of &quot;conservative&quot; in the eyes of the liberal establishment, I&#039;m not surprised they are often incapable of civility in social discourse.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Being a conservative myself, I have faith in the voting mechanism to winnow the worst ideas out of what eventually becomes law, and the checks and balances still work for the most part.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think that equality of outcome agendas and identity politics are frankly silly when viewed across history. The more base aspects of liberal thought - the tendency toward faux populism in pursuit of power and the ever present specter of authoritarian solutions for narrow agendas, right on down to the displayed eagerness to ignore lethal threats in pursuit of short term goals all just serve to keep me closely involved in the debate. It&#039;s my job as a citizen to make the case for the things I believe in - and respect the rights of others to do the same.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Even if they do come across as screeching moonbats.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Right now in November 2005, the system still works well enough to protect my family... even if the current crop of Republicans can&#039;t claim to be conservative.  Or hardly effective, for that matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All things being equal I would probably decline the company of viciously bigoted, racist, chauvinistic, theocratic, intellectually vacuous, and economically illiterate peasants if I had the choice.</p>
<p>Since that list seems to encompass the operative definition of &#8220;conservative&#8221; in the eyes of the liberal establishment, I&#8217;m not surprised they are often incapable of civility in social discourse.</p>
<p>Being a conservative myself, I have faith in the voting mechanism to winnow the worst ideas out of what eventually becomes law, and the checks and balances still work for the most part.</p>
<p>I think that equality of outcome agendas and identity politics are frankly silly when viewed across history. The more base aspects of liberal thought &#8211; the tendency toward faux populism in pursuit of power and the ever present specter of authoritarian solutions for narrow agendas, right on down to the displayed eagerness to ignore lethal threats in pursuit of short term goals all just serve to keep me closely involved in the debate. It&#8217;s my job as a citizen to make the case for the things I believe in &#8211; and respect the rights of others to do the same.</p>
<p>Even if they do come across as screeching moonbats.</p>
<p>Right now in November 2005, the system still works well enough to protect my family&#8230; even if the current crop of Republicans can&#8217;t claim to be conservative.  Or hardly effective, for that matter.</p>
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		By: Simon Kenton		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/11/23/talking-to-conservatives/#comment-6798</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[11:06pm Anonymous - &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Good post, and thank you for your service, active, and afterward.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>11:06pm Anonymous &#8211; </p>
<p>Good post, and thank you for your service, active, and afterward.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/11/23/talking-to-conservatives/#comment-6799</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I worked with liberals on several projects when I was in college, but we never understood each other.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I discovered a project in a poor neighborhood that I had to join.  It was run by the sororities.  So there I was....&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Conservative girls are cuter.  Search for &quot;punisher&#039;s ball&quot;.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I was once accused of &quot;taunting&quot;.  It occurred to me that it was correct.  You can&#039;t taunt a person about something which isn&#039;t true.  You can&#039;t taunt a, say, fencer about being clumsy.  You can&#039;t taunt a thin person about being fat.  The taunting has to be about something which is true.&lt;BR/&gt;I taunt liberals.  What about....?  The blank is filled in with something which is unarguable and makes libs look bad, or their arguments.&lt;BR/&gt;So I am not often required to talk to liberals.&lt;BR/&gt;It all works out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked with liberals on several projects when I was in college, but we never understood each other.</p>
<p>I discovered a project in a poor neighborhood that I had to join.  It was run by the sororities.  So there I was&#8230;.</p>
<p>Conservative girls are cuter.  Search for &#8220;punisher&#8217;s ball&#8221;.</p>
<p>I was once accused of &#8220;taunting&#8221;.  It occurred to me that it was correct.  You can&#8217;t taunt a person about something which isn&#8217;t true.  You can&#8217;t taunt a, say, fencer about being clumsy.  You can&#8217;t taunt a thin person about being fat.  The taunting has to be about something which is true.<br />I taunt liberals.  What about&#8230;.?  The blank is filled in with something which is unarguable and makes libs look bad, or their arguments.<br />So I am not often required to talk to liberals.<br />It all works out.</p>
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		By: cakreiz		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/11/23/talking-to-conservatives/#comment-6800</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One question for Anon?  Why do you still cloak your identity?  Generalities are acceptable- I don&#039;t want you to reveal too much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question for Anon?  Why do you still cloak your identity?  Generalities are acceptable- I don&#8217;t want you to reveal too much.</p>
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		By: cakreiz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was one of those centrist folks you may have met along the way.  At 19, I volunteered for the Army (&#039;71).  I was a liberal in the JFK/LBJ tradition, definitely had a hawkish bent.  That tradition was supplanted and replaced long ago; it&#039;s virtually nonexistent on the Dem side.  Although intrigued by the left, it never captured my imagination.  I played guitar and listened to Lennon though.  So I perceived myself as somewhat left.  The Assistant Village Idiot (great name) nails it, &quot;we mostly liked being suburban hippies.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was one of those centrist folks you may have met along the way.  At 19, I volunteered for the Army (&#8217;71).  I was a liberal in the JFK/LBJ tradition, definitely had a hawkish bent.  That tradition was supplanted and replaced long ago; it&#8217;s virtually nonexistent on the Dem side.  Although intrigued by the left, it never captured my imagination.  I played guitar and listened to Lennon though.  So I perceived myself as somewhat left.  The Assistant Village Idiot (great name) nails it, &#8220;we mostly liked being suburban hippies.&#8221;</p>
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