People like you who fell for Leftist propaganda violated that rule when you decided to work with Demoncrat traitors. And look where it has gotten the United States 10 years later.

You can call Islam a cult, you can call it a political movement cloaked in monotheism, but don’t call it a religion.

What happened to smart people, did they all become Republicans or engineers or something working in Iraq?

But Steve, I think it may be likely that they are the same poll. I think Murtha, the Arizona Republic & the Telegraph may be citing the same survey — that’s why the numbers are the same. I’m aware that the Telegraph has their poll as being “carried out in August,” & the Boston Globe article carried by the Arizona Republic was written in June, but that is very close together & newspapers are frequently sloppy about the accuracy of such details. I think I need to know more about the sources before I come to any conclusions. There ought to be a rule that articles cite their sources less vaguely so that the reader can access the source & compare the article with the source.

Not only the reservations you cited, but did you notice it was a “secret poll” that they somehow got a hold of? So you will *never* have any of your questions answered nor can you prove anything about it – hmm, wonder why?

You know, for persuasive evidence you really need to do better than “secret poll by unknown people that I can only tell you the results”. Especially given that the publication in question has been known to, umm, be less than honest in the past.

Lets put it this way – if Fox News uncovered a secret poll sponsered by the French and carried out by unnamed people at an Iraqi university that said the opposite would you believe it? If not, then why do you this one?

I’m sure this person understands this perfectly well – after all I know without asking what his answer to the above question is and I’m not even psychic (for one thing, there are quite a few non-sooper-dooper-secret polls only this one paper knows about that say something VERY different and he choose the secret unverifiable one). He just hopes that no one is capable of mounting a decent defense against it.

It reminds me of my days in college when the net was just beginning to be used. We realised that the teachers knew nothing about it so we could easily set up our own “expert” to say whatever drivel we wanted, cite it, and get a good grade. It worked until the profs finally figured out how easy it is to post something on the internet. The Steves of the world either think we are that stupid/uninformed or are that way themselves.

If the UN was in charge of Iraq, there would be a fake plebescite that would “prove” that 99% of the Iraqi people want the US out.

Al-Qaeda doesn’t bother with hypocrisy, they don’t use fake democratic principles to hammer out a fascist ideology.

And that’s something to respect, if not admire. And it is also something a lot of people tend to have unreasonable fears about, Al-Qaeda coming to power in an election.

Guess what folks, Al-Qaeda is incompatible with democracy in any shape or form. They know it, we know it, other people don’t seem to.

They are the disease, and we are the cure. And you can’t get the cure to the patient by telepathic suggestions. Got to use invasive procedures.

I read your post about the MoD poll & I agree that it would be better to know much more about it.

I brought up the older U.S. poll because the number who think the insurgents are justified – 45% – is the same as that in the more recent poll.

New U.S. government analyses suggest that the insurgents, which are led by Sunni nationalists, remnants of Saddam’s police state, and foreign extremists waging holy war, have vastly more staying power than previously thought.

Hey, they should’ve asked me. I would have told them that the terrorists & terrorism would be in Iraq long after the US passed the baton to the new Iraqi government. I never envisioned that the terrorists would be made to stop, by the US or Iraq — not for a long time. I expected the level of terrorism to be a constant, like it is in Israel, part of the general expectation as life proceeds around it, abhorred, feared, but lived with because there is no other alternative but to live, not with it, but despite it. Of course, Cheney was mistaken that the terrorists were in their “last throes.” It was a bonehead statement to make, I freely admit that. But what does Cheney’s mistake change? Is the US going to decide that any sustained terrorism means our defeat? Terrorism, which even with the best security precautions is relatively easy to perform, especially with the sponsorship of states like Syria & Iran, will quickly establish the caliphate under that policy. A few suicide bombs, a few snipers, a few roadside bombs, 2,000 soldiers dead & it’s goodbye, whoever you are, because you’ve won.

Meanwhile, a recent internal poll conducted for the U.S.-led coalition indicated that nearly 45 percent of the Iraqi population supports the insurgent attacks, making accurate intelligence difficult to obtain.

Steve, the article is citing the same British Ministry of Defense-financed survey we’ve been commenting about. See my previous comment if you want to review my reservations about that survey.

Here’s something from a poll the U.S. did:

Decisive victory doubtful in Iraq
Military: Diplomacy is only path to peace
Bryan Bender
Boston Globe
Jun. 11, 2005 12:00 AM
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0611iraq-assess11.html

Meanwhile, a recent internal poll conducted for the U.S.-led coalition indicated that nearly 45 percent of the Iraqi population supports the insurgent attacks, making accurate intelligence difficult to obtain. Only 15 percent of those polled said they strongly support the U.S.-led coalition.