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		By: cakreiz		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/09/06/from-sheep-to-sheepdog/#comment-3931</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There was something primal about Whittle&#039;s essay that the sheepdog metaphor. Circumstances change but many of the big things- life, survival, human nature- don&#039;t.  Great stuff (with a shout out to Lt. Gen. Honore).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was something primal about Whittle&#8217;s essay that the sheepdog metaphor. Circumstances change but many of the big things- life, survival, human nature- don&#8217;t.  Great stuff (with a shout out to Lt. Gen. Honore).</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/09/06/from-sheep-to-sheepdog/#comment-3932</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;B&gt;Also, I can brain the terrorist on the head with a Coke can in a sock. Also, I can smash their face when they are down.&lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Or you could knee them in the groin (that one&#039;s popular), hit them with two knuckles in his right temple as he bends over. When he falls/moves to his left, then you kick out his knee cap, then put your shinbone on his neck.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I love how if you hit a nerve spot in the human body, it causes lots of paralysis pain.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;B&gt;(And many sheepdogs are NOT contemptuous at all, more supportive&lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don&#039;t think it would hinder the protector&#039;s actions at all, regardless of what they felt. If they are ordered to protect the flock, they will do so. That is the discipline that separates warriors from just regular people, and warriors from murderers.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;They may be disatisfied with life, but they can deal with it. A lot of people are dissatisfied with life.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Doers can&#039;t change their natures, and parasites can&#039;t change theirs. If we want to get rid of them, sure, we can kill them. But that&#039;s kind of messy and won&#039;t eliminate all of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Also, I can brain the terrorist on the head with a Coke can in a sock. Also, I can smash their face when they are down.</b></p>
<p>Or you could knee them in the groin (that one&#8217;s popular), hit them with two knuckles in his right temple as he bends over. When he falls/moves to his left, then you kick out his knee cap, then put your shinbone on his neck.</p>
<p>I love how if you hit a nerve spot in the human body, it causes lots of paralysis pain.</p>
<p><b>(And many sheepdogs are NOT contemptuous at all, more supportive</b></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it would hinder the protector&#8217;s actions at all, regardless of what they felt. If they are ordered to protect the flock, they will do so. That is the discipline that separates warriors from just regular people, and warriors from murderers.</p>
<p>They may be disatisfied with life, but they can deal with it. A lot of people are dissatisfied with life.</p>
<p>Doers can&#8217;t change their natures, and parasites can&#8217;t change theirs. If we want to get rid of them, sure, we can kill them. But that&#8217;s kind of messy and won&#8217;t eliminate all of them.</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/09/06/from-sheep-to-sheepdog/#comment-3933</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Because they prolly have some superior / contempt feelings. &quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I am differnet Jimthan the one Aubrey answered.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Anyway, superior feelings are bound to develop and they inevitable become a problem. This sheep/sheepdof relationship is basically the relationship between an aristocracy and its peasantry, or maybe also townspeople if there are towns the aristocrats control.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It can and has worked very wel for a long, long time in some places. Japan and Germany come to mind. In Germany you see huge vistas of what are almost real forests. Over the centuries the gentry preserved the forests from encroachment by the peasants, to preserve habitat for wild game, but eventually to the peasants&#039; great advantage. The peasants would never have enjoyed that advanatge relying on their own insight and self-discipline. That is sheepdog behavior, protecting the sheep even against threats from themselves. The new arrangement is called socialism, but is the same in essence - a small elite manages threats for the good of the flock.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But the flaw is the contempt that the gentry eventually always feel for the masses. Well, not always. A commneter mentioned the flow of individauls between the sheep and sheepdog groups. Thats has been our saving grace in the US far. People decry the fact that graduates of elite schools don&#039;t go into the military. Thank God they don&#039;t! They can go be investment bankers or whatever. That is how we get people like Russel Honore as three star genrals instead of gas station attendants or highly-talented, toxically frustrated sergeants stuck in a motor pool somewhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because they prolly have some superior / contempt feelings. &#8220;</p>
<p>I am differnet Jimthan the one Aubrey answered.</p>
<p>Anyway, superior feelings are bound to develop and they inevitable become a problem. This sheep/sheepdof relationship is basically the relationship between an aristocracy and its peasantry, or maybe also townspeople if there are towns the aristocrats control.</p>
<p>It can and has worked very wel for a long, long time in some places. Japan and Germany come to mind. In Germany you see huge vistas of what are almost real forests. Over the centuries the gentry preserved the forests from encroachment by the peasants, to preserve habitat for wild game, but eventually to the peasants&#8217; great advantage. The peasants would never have enjoyed that advanatge relying on their own insight and self-discipline. That is sheepdog behavior, protecting the sheep even against threats from themselves. The new arrangement is called socialism, but is the same in essence &#8211; a small elite manages threats for the good of the flock.</p>
<p>But the flaw is the contempt that the gentry eventually always feel for the masses. Well, not always. A commneter mentioned the flow of individauls between the sheep and sheepdog groups. Thats has been our saving grace in the US far. People decry the fact that graduates of elite schools don&#8217;t go into the military. Thank God they don&#8217;t! They can go be investment bankers or whatever. That is how we get people like Russel Honore as three star genrals instead of gas station attendants or highly-talented, toxically frustrated sergeants stuck in a motor pool somewhere.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/09/06/from-sheep-to-sheepdog/#comment-3934</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Herewith an example of my last couple of posts:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Going on forty years ago, I was involved in a project a thousand miles from home with about three dozen other college students.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There were places our leadership had said were Bad Places to go in our limited spare time, and Good Places.&lt;BR/&gt;Two other guys and I went to one of the latter.  I have nothing bad to say about the other guys&#039; heart, but they were small and convinced that Ghandi had been excessively macho.&lt;BR/&gt;We had just ordered when the waitress came in saying there was an emergency call for the big white guy with the Michigan State sweatshirt.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Three of our girls had gone to one of the Bad Places, redneck before redneck was cool&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Here&#039;s the kicker.  They looked to see where I had signed out to, written down that place&#039;s phone number and put a spare dime (forty years ago, remember) in a shoe or bra or someplace.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;They knew in advance they might get into trouble, and they knew what to do about it.  But they didn&#039;t ask me first.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;We managed to retrieve the three women without further incident.  I was driving a VW bug.  Three of us, three of them. Me driving.  A quick calculation will show that the only guy without a coed on his lap was me.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;How do you think I felt about these three girls, and their action, and about the sheepdog/sheep thing in general?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Now, fastforward to a soldier watching the lefties put &quot;kick-me&quot; signs on the US.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herewith an example of my last couple of posts:</p>
<p>Going on forty years ago, I was involved in a project a thousand miles from home with about three dozen other college students.</p>
<p>There were places our leadership had said were Bad Places to go in our limited spare time, and Good Places.<br />Two other guys and I went to one of the latter.  I have nothing bad to say about the other guys&#8217; heart, but they were small and convinced that Ghandi had been excessively macho.<br />We had just ordered when the waitress came in saying there was an emergency call for the big white guy with the Michigan State sweatshirt.</p>
<p>Three of our girls had gone to one of the Bad Places, redneck before redneck was cool</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the kicker.  They looked to see where I had signed out to, written down that place&#8217;s phone number and put a spare dime (forty years ago, remember) in a shoe or bra or someplace.</p>
<p>They knew in advance they might get into trouble, and they knew what to do about it.  But they didn&#8217;t ask me first.</p>
<p>We managed to retrieve the three women without further incident.  I was driving a VW bug.  Three of us, three of them. Me driving.  A quick calculation will show that the only guy without a coed on his lap was me.</p>
<p>How do you think I felt about these three girls, and their action, and about the sheepdog/sheep thing in general?</p>
<p>Now, fastforward to a soldier watching the lefties put &#8220;kick-me&#8221; signs on the US.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/09/06/from-sheep-to-sheepdog/#comment-3935</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard, I hope NNC really thinks about your question: what do the sheepdogs think about the sheep?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Because they prolly have some superior / contempt feelings.  Sometimes quite a bit like the wolves, actually, though the wolves are more open and honest.  (And many sheepdogs are NOT contemptuous at all, more supportive)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Socially, such superiority / contempt is kinda &quot;cool&quot; -- rebel without a cause sort of.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So many of the intellectual sheep take the same superior contempt pose against the other sheep as do the wolves.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Left is allied with Islamofascists; against the sheepdog Americans (and of course against the Jews).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I hope NNC really thinks about your question: what do the sheepdogs think about the sheep?</p>
<p>Because they prolly have some superior / contempt feelings.  Sometimes quite a bit like the wolves, actually, though the wolves are more open and honest.  (And many sheepdogs are NOT contemptuous at all, more supportive)</p>
<p>Socially, such superiority / contempt is kinda &#8220;cool&#8221; &#8212; rebel without a cause sort of.</p>
<p>So many of the intellectual sheep take the same superior contempt pose against the other sheep as do the wolves.  </p>
<p>The Left is allied with Islamofascists; against the sheepdog Americans (and of course against the Jews).</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Disagree.  Sheepdogs have chosen to take responsibility for others.&lt;BR/&gt;The modality does not matter, whether a gun, or crawling into a wrecked car which might catch fire.&lt;BR/&gt;Perhaps sheepdogs did not choose but were hardwired, or trained by other sheepdogs from birth.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sheep take no responsibility for others if there is any possibility of danger.  They don&#039;t even take full responsibility for themselves, waiting instead for the sheepdogs to do it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As I asked before, how do you think sheepdogs feel about this?  &lt;BR/&gt;About the sheep?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim. </p>
<p>Disagree.  Sheepdogs have chosen to take responsibility for others.<br />The modality does not matter, whether a gun, or crawling into a wrecked car which might catch fire.<br />Perhaps sheepdogs did not choose but were hardwired, or trained by other sheepdogs from birth.</p>
<p>Sheep take no responsibility for others if there is any possibility of danger.  They don&#8217;t even take full responsibility for themselves, waiting instead for the sheepdogs to do it.</p>
<p>As I asked before, how do you think sheepdogs feel about this?  <br />About the sheep?</p>
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		By: john moulder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I liked the Whittle piece but I thought it was flawed. I posted a critique of it on my site.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the Whittle piece but I thought it was flawed. I posted a critique of it on my site.</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this thoughtful, well-written piece. The irony, for me anyway, is that our “sheepdogs” are really just other sheep who through dedication and discipline have overcome their natural fear of fire and firearms to protect us in times of peril. I think what you&#039;ve penned is particularly helpful in light of what the men and women who marched into New Orleans accomplished within 24 hours of their arrival, bringing order to chaos and salvation to the donwtrodden. I read on another blog how the NY PD and the NY FD brought honor to themselves and their emblems during 9-11. In my opinion, their New Orleans equivalent did not, leaving them with fitting acronyms: NO PD and NO FD ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this thoughtful, well-written piece. The irony, for me anyway, is that our “sheepdogs” are really just other sheep who through dedication and discipline have overcome their natural fear of fire and firearms to protect us in times of peril. I think what you&#8217;ve penned is particularly helpful in light of what the men and women who marched into New Orleans accomplished within 24 hours of their arrival, bringing order to chaos and salvation to the donwtrodden. I read on another blog how the NY PD and the NY FD brought honor to themselves and their emblems during 9-11. In my opinion, their New Orleans equivalent did not, leaving them with fitting acronyms: NO PD and NO FD &#8230;</p>
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		By: Goesh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/09/06/from-sheep-to-sheepdog/#comment-3939</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Goesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think many potential crimes are averted by the presence of a gun in the hands of an intended victim. I think too these incidents are often not reported to the police. Whether or not the intended victim could and would pull the trigger is another story, but most criminals are unwilling to run the odds since they are by nature cowards. Their courage is in proportion to the perceived vulnerability of the intended victim(s). There may be more sheepdogs in sheeps clothing than we realize.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many potential crimes are averted by the presence of a gun in the hands of an intended victim. I think too these incidents are often not reported to the police. Whether or not the intended victim could and would pull the trigger is another story, but most criminals are unwilling to run the odds since they are by nature cowards. Their courage is in proportion to the perceived vulnerability of the intended victim(s). There may be more sheepdogs in sheeps clothing than we realize.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[As we have heard several times, Orwell said that, effectively, the pacifist favors the fascist.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In the real world, what this means is the fascist is told by the actions of the virtuous society that it might be worth a shot.  They&#039;re disarming and arguing about fighting and we ought to win easily.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So, to extend Orwell a bit, the pacifist increases the chance of war.  Since the virtuous society won&#039;t give up without a fight.  The fascist does not have the patience to wait the zillion years until they are one hundred percent pacifist.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So the fascist attacks.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Who takes the first hit?  The regulars.  The professional sheepdogs.&lt;BR/&gt;Who, by the way, are watching this process and watching the sheep make war--and the deaths of the professional sheepdogs--a pretty much done deal.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It is not merely that civilians don&#039;t understand or like the military.  The feeling can be reciprocated, for a reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we have heard several times, Orwell said that, effectively, the pacifist favors the fascist.</p>
<p>In the real world, what this means is the fascist is told by the actions of the virtuous society that it might be worth a shot.  They&#8217;re disarming and arguing about fighting and we ought to win easily.</p>
<p>So, to extend Orwell a bit, the pacifist increases the chance of war.  Since the virtuous society won&#8217;t give up without a fight.  The fascist does not have the patience to wait the zillion years until they are one hundred percent pacifist.</p>
<p>So the fascist attacks.</p>
<p>Who takes the first hit?  The regulars.  The professional sheepdogs.<br />Who, by the way, are watching this process and watching the sheep make war&#8211;and the deaths of the professional sheepdogs&#8211;a pretty much done deal.</p>
<p>It is not merely that civilians don&#8217;t understand or like the military.  The feeling can be reciprocated, for a reason.</p>
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