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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/08/30/therapists-and-liberalism/#comment-1123540</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2016 20:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GRA:

Yes, I do have advice.

I got my degree in mid-life, having gone back to school, and although at the time I was still a liberal Democrat in terms of the way I voted, looking back I realize I always had a lot of conservative ideas.  Therefore, I had a lot of problems with and a lot of objections to what I was learning in my courses, and was odd woman out countless times in discussions in class as well as the decisions I made when dealing with clients.  At the time I hadn&#039;t a clue that my differences were basically &lt;i&gt;political&lt;/i&gt;, but I knew I was in almost constant disagreement with my peers and my professors.

So i can tell you what I did: I continued to speak up in the classroom.  It got me into trouble many times---arguments and conflict with people.  I didn&#039;t raise my voice, but it was stressful.  But I didn&#039;t see any other way. I had to say my piece.  I know that some fellow-classmates agreed with my point of view but laid low because they were worried about getting bad recommendations from the profs, or otherwise having it impact on their careers.  They were younger than I was.  

At any rate, it does take a certain amount of courage and endurance. Choose your battles (don&#039;t fight over every nitpicky little thing) but if you want to maintain your integrity you must speak out.  Try not to couch it in terms of politics, but just be logical and state the way you see things, or even ask them probing questions to get them to see contradictions in what they&#039;re saying.  That&#039;s my advice when dealing with professors and colleagues.  With clients, it&#039;s easier, because you don&#039;t want to discuss politics per se with them.  Just follow the rules with them (re boundaries, for example, and self-disclosure) and you&#039;ll probably be okay.

Good luck to you!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRA:</p>
<p>Yes, I do have advice.</p>
<p>I got my degree in mid-life, having gone back to school, and although at the time I was still a liberal Democrat in terms of the way I voted, looking back I realize I always had a lot of conservative ideas.  Therefore, I had a lot of problems with and a lot of objections to what I was learning in my courses, and was odd woman out countless times in discussions in class as well as the decisions I made when dealing with clients.  At the time I hadn&#8217;t a clue that my differences were basically <i>political</i>, but I knew I was in almost constant disagreement with my peers and my professors.</p>
<p>So i can tell you what I did: I continued to speak up in the classroom.  It got me into trouble many times&#8212;arguments and conflict with people.  I didn&#8217;t raise my voice, but it was stressful.  But I didn&#8217;t see any other way. I had to say my piece.  I know that some fellow-classmates agreed with my point of view but laid low because they were worried about getting bad recommendations from the profs, or otherwise having it impact on their careers.  They were younger than I was.  </p>
<p>At any rate, it does take a certain amount of courage and endurance. Choose your battles (don&#8217;t fight over every nitpicky little thing) but if you want to maintain your integrity you must speak out.  Try not to couch it in terms of politics, but just be logical and state the way you see things, or even ask them probing questions to get them to see contradictions in what they&#8217;re saying.  That&#8217;s my advice when dealing with professors and colleagues.  With clients, it&#8217;s easier, because you don&#8217;t want to discuss politics per se with them.  Just follow the rules with them (re boundaries, for example, and self-disclosure) and you&#8217;ll probably be okay.</p>
<p>Good luck to you!!</p>
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		By: GRA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2016 19:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo-neocon,

I am currently in a MSW (master in social work) program. Though different than family therapy in some ways, if not competing in the therapy sector, is there any advice you would give to a conservative entering such a field? I am aware that conservatives are quite the unicorn in the &quot;helping field&quot; and I&#039;ve read numerous thoughts that a conservative is not a goo fit for social work. 

There are only a few articles of non-liberal social workers advocating for the diversity in ideas in going about advocacy and approaching social pets of the field (voter ID law is oppressive and hurtful, patriarchy, universal healthcare etc.), which was met with some hostility and assurance that its all in the person&#039;s head. A professor dismissed an article saying that there were no forceful politics within the classroom.

One social worker outright said that borders are the least one&#039;s worry because the plight of those crossing the border was paramount. I&#039;m rather astonished about this social worker&#039;s priority, as if the rights of the citizens were not important, and that she could not, if not unwillingly, approach the issue on a more broad, intellectual way other than &quot;the poor Mexicans!&quot;

Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-neocon,</p>
<p>I am currently in a MSW (master in social work) program. Though different than family therapy in some ways, if not competing in the therapy sector, is there any advice you would give to a conservative entering such a field? I am aware that conservatives are quite the unicorn in the &#8220;helping field&#8221; and I&#8217;ve read numerous thoughts that a conservative is not a goo fit for social work. </p>
<p>There are only a few articles of non-liberal social workers advocating for the diversity in ideas in going about advocacy and approaching social pets of the field (voter ID law is oppressive and hurtful, patriarchy, universal healthcare etc.), which was met with some hostility and assurance that its all in the person&#8217;s head. A professor dismissed an article saying that there were no forceful politics within the classroom.</p>
<p>One social worker outright said that borders are the least one&#8217;s worry because the plight of those crossing the border was paramount. I&#8217;m rather astonished about this social worker&#8217;s priority, as if the rights of the citizens were not important, and that she could not, if not unwillingly, approach the issue on a more broad, intellectual way other than &#8220;the poor Mexicans!&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/08/30/therapists-and-liberalism/#comment-587328</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 04:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nightcat:

I think you might need to look into getting a new therapist, if that sort of conversation is not something that&#039;s okay with you.

As a general rule, whether pro-Bush or anti, pro-Obama or anti, therapists should not be spouting off about their political opinions to their clients.  Especially if the client has not solicited those opinions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nightcat:</p>
<p>I think you might need to look into getting a new therapist, if that sort of conversation is not something that&#8217;s okay with you.</p>
<p>As a general rule, whether pro-Bush or anti, pro-Obama or anti, therapists should not be spouting off about their political opinions to their clients.  Especially if the client has not solicited those opinions.</p>
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		By: Nightcat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 02:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So I am seeing a psychiatrist and she keeps going on about how bad GW Bush is.  The year is 2013 and I never once mentioned politics.  I just sit there nodding until we can get back to MY problems, not hers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I am seeing a psychiatrist and she keeps going on about how bad GW Bush is.  The year is 2013 and I never once mentioned politics.  I just sit there nodding until we can get back to MY problems, not hers.</p>
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		By: Scott A Joseph, MD		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/08/30/therapists-and-liberalism/#comment-155607</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, as a politically Conservative Jewish Psychiatrist (YAFer VP of my University) I have always marched to a different drummer. Only my supreme clinical skill has allowed me to get by. But I try to keep my politics out of work by focusing on fixing the leaks...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as a politically Conservative Jewish Psychiatrist (YAFer VP of my University) I have always marched to a different drummer. Only my supreme clinical skill has allowed me to get by. But I try to keep my politics out of work by focusing on fixing the leaks&#8230;</p>
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		By: Bookworm Room &#187; Therapists and non-therapists &#8212; a guest post from Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bookworm Room &#187; Therapists and non-therapists &#8212; a guest post from Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] recently read Neo-neocon&#8217;s biographical post &#8220;Therapists and liberalism&#8221;. It sparked an interesting subject matter for me, but not in the sense that she intended [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] recently read Neo-neocon&#8217;s biographical post &#8220;Therapists and liberalism&#8221;. It sparked an interesting subject matter for me, but not in the sense that she intended [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: gloria stitz		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/08/30/therapists-and-liberalism/#comment-95120</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More jails indeed. I guess there&#039;s no such thing as mental hospitals for non-criminally insane people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More jails indeed. I guess there&#8217;s no such thing as mental hospitals for non-criminally insane people.</p>
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		By: SUSIE E Prentice		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/08/30/therapists-and-liberalism/#comment-62648</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Victims are not helpless. Victims are helpless when the therapist decides they are helpless.  That empowers the therapist and the victim mentality. All the while the &quot;victim&quot; is thinking why doesn&#039;t this therapist say something useful. Actually tuning into the reality of problems. Not to say there aren&#039;t many victim therapists that don&#039;t. It&#039;s a question you have to ask self. It becomes the &quot;Impoverished Management&quot; rather than the &quot;Team Management&quot; . Impoverished therapy doesn&#039;t stand up for any thing there is so much empathy that a numbness developes, to a disparity. It&#039;s not judgement time in therapy. It&#039;s encouraging and enabeling time. I believe understanding is of ut-most importance but that does not mean I agree with what I understand. 
There are levels of understanding and levels of agreeing. There are victims but they are not victims because they &quot;deserve&quot; but victims because of a lack of specific elements for each individual. So the &quot;Q&quot;uestion is what are the individual elements that are a must have?
I have numerous experien(ces) in living life. I do not put self in one particular field of interest. Why? I f one isolates self to one field of study they can not know what is happening out side their bubble until it burst. My bubble burst years ago.  NOW let&#039;s  look to the beginning of what was that &#039;guys&#039; name? Freud? He began labeling to improve definition(s) to bring about the same thinking but to also bring about what therapy is to be doing, that is actually helping people. Not simply working on their own retirement plan. Although not to see the missing elements allows for impoverished thearpy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victims are not helpless. Victims are helpless when the therapist decides they are helpless.  That empowers the therapist and the victim mentality. All the while the &#8220;victim&#8221; is thinking why doesn&#8217;t this therapist say something useful. Actually tuning into the reality of problems. Not to say there aren&#8217;t many victim therapists that don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s a question you have to ask self. It becomes the &#8220;Impoverished Management&#8221; rather than the &#8220;Team Management&#8221; . Impoverished therapy doesn&#8217;t stand up for any thing there is so much empathy that a numbness developes, to a disparity. It&#8217;s not judgement time in therapy. It&#8217;s encouraging and enabeling time. I believe understanding is of ut-most importance but that does not mean I agree with what I understand.<br />
There are levels of understanding and levels of agreeing. There are victims but they are not victims because they &#8220;deserve&#8221; but victims because of a lack of specific elements for each individual. So the &#8220;Q&#8221;uestion is what are the individual elements that are a must have?<br />
I have numerous experien(ces) in living life. I do not put self in one particular field of interest. Why? I f one isolates self to one field of study they can not know what is happening out side their bubble until it burst. My bubble burst years ago.  NOW let&#8217;s  look to the beginning of what was that &#8216;guys&#8217; name? Freud? He began labeling to improve definition(s) to bring about the same thinking but to also bring about what therapy is to be doing, that is actually helping people. Not simply working on their own retirement plan. Although not to see the missing elements allows for impoverished thearpy.</p>
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		By: bunkerbuster		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/08/30/therapists-and-liberalism/#comment-47692</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Plenty of interesting comments here, but one theme rings through:

Conservatives are obsessed with their inferior status.

The media&#039;s against them

The academic world is against them.

Therapists are against them.

``Word people&#039;&#039; are against them.

So what&#039;s the source of all this paranoia?

I would argue it&#039;s the news media. Anyone who takes the minimal time to do some addition will quickly see that among all major newspapers and television news in America, the number of conservative commentators significantly outnumbers the number of liberals.

Turn to a random newspaper or TV program in America and you are significantly more likely to hear or read a conservative giving his or her views than you are to hear or read a liberal.

So there is a sense that the conservative view is the standard American viewpoint. It IS the mainstream.

But straight news reporting doesn&#039;t toe the conservative line. News journalism calls for the kind of objectivity neoneo describes as also necessary for therapy. The journalist isn&#039;t supposed to be making judgments about the news, just reporting it.

This is why straight news seems to conservatives to have a &quot;liberal&quot; bias. They expect judgments, i.e. condemnation of the things they think are bad and praise for things they think are good. When they don&#039;t get that, they think it&#039;s bias.

But why does that make them paranoid?

It creates among conservatives a sense that their ideology is &quot;under seige.&quot; They are led to believe their views are mainstream--just look at all the commentators out there repeating RNC talking points every day. But at the same time, the real straight news tells a different story.

So, when a conservative pipes up at, say, a dinner party, they&#039;re outraged when a liberal challenges their view. Conservatives are inured to the idea that ripping liberals has no cost and requires no logical or substantive backup. When it&#039;s brought to their attention that it does, they&#039;re stunned and, as neoneo demonstrates, offended.

Read this blog and you will see the same thing. Conservative commenters here are stunned, flabbergasted, amazed that anyone could possibly take a liberal position. Many express outright disgust that anyone could possibly hold a view opposite to theirs.

Why the dismay, the outrage?

They thought they would be like Rush Limbaugh, or Bill O&#039;Reilly or Brit Hume or Sean Hannity or any one of the scores of conservative commentators in the mainstream media who opine without concern that they will face any scrutiny whatsoever from an ideological opponent. 

You gotta love the blogosphere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of interesting comments here, but one theme rings through:</p>
<p>Conservatives are obsessed with their inferior status.</p>
<p>The media&#8217;s against them</p>
<p>The academic world is against them.</p>
<p>Therapists are against them.</p>
<p>&#8220;Word people&#8221; are against them.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the source of all this paranoia?</p>
<p>I would argue it&#8217;s the news media. Anyone who takes the minimal time to do some addition will quickly see that among all major newspapers and television news in America, the number of conservative commentators significantly outnumbers the number of liberals.</p>
<p>Turn to a random newspaper or TV program in America and you are significantly more likely to hear or read a conservative giving his or her views than you are to hear or read a liberal.</p>
<p>So there is a sense that the conservative view is the standard American viewpoint. It IS the mainstream.</p>
<p>But straight news reporting doesn&#8217;t toe the conservative line. News journalism calls for the kind of objectivity neoneo describes as also necessary for therapy. The journalist isn&#8217;t supposed to be making judgments about the news, just reporting it.</p>
<p>This is why straight news seems to conservatives to have a &#8220;liberal&#8221; bias. They expect judgments, i.e. condemnation of the things they think are bad and praise for things they think are good. When they don&#8217;t get that, they think it&#8217;s bias.</p>
<p>But why does that make them paranoid?</p>
<p>It creates among conservatives a sense that their ideology is &#8220;under seige.&#8221; They are led to believe their views are mainstream&#8211;just look at all the commentators out there repeating RNC talking points every day. But at the same time, the real straight news tells a different story.</p>
<p>So, when a conservative pipes up at, say, a dinner party, they&#8217;re outraged when a liberal challenges their view. Conservatives are inured to the idea that ripping liberals has no cost and requires no logical or substantive backup. When it&#8217;s brought to their attention that it does, they&#8217;re stunned and, as neoneo demonstrates, offended.</p>
<p>Read this blog and you will see the same thing. Conservative commenters here are stunned, flabbergasted, amazed that anyone could possibly take a liberal position. Many express outright disgust that anyone could possibly hold a view opposite to theirs.</p>
<p>Why the dismay, the outrage?</p>
<p>They thought they would be like Rush Limbaugh, or Bill O&#8217;Reilly or Brit Hume or Sean Hannity or any one of the scores of conservative commentators in the mainstream media who opine without concern that they will face any scrutiny whatsoever from an ideological opponent. </p>
<p>You gotta love the blogosphere.</p>
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		By: Thomas		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/08/30/therapists-and-liberalism/#comment-39172</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Says: 

March 3rd, 2007 at 12:00 am 
&quot;There’s also an interesting category of “things” that are intangible but still have the hard and unforgiving attributes of thingness (like computer code)..are these more like word-people or thing-people?&quot;

I think they tend to be thing based... because computers have leway but are in many ways inflexible. You must adhere to their logic and way of doing things or what your trying to do won&#039;t work... I&#039;m a computer guy and my observations on the field are there are many conservatives and libertarians (re: over represented)... also, hearing users complain that &#039;the computer doesn&#039;t work&#039; because they won&#039;t use it properly... drives us nuts... This carries over into politics... hearing people like Mike Moore fans quote his unfactual bs creates the same effect... they believe bs because they &#039;want it to be so / or true&#039; even though it is not...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Says: </p>
<p>March 3rd, 2007 at 12:00 am<br />
&#8220;There’s also an interesting category of “things” that are intangible but still have the hard and unforgiving attributes of thingness (like computer code)..are these more like word-people or thing-people?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think they tend to be thing based&#8230; because computers have leway but are in many ways inflexible. You must adhere to their logic and way of doing things or what your trying to do won&#8217;t work&#8230; I&#8217;m a computer guy and my observations on the field are there are many conservatives and libertarians (re: over represented)&#8230; also, hearing users complain that &#8216;the computer doesn&#8217;t work&#8217; because they won&#8217;t use it properly&#8230; drives us nuts&#8230; This carries over into politics&#8230; hearing people like Mike Moore fans quote his unfactual bs creates the same effect&#8230; they believe bs because they &#8216;want it to be so / or true&#8217; even though it is not&#8230;</p>
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