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		By: John Pepple		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/06/30/mind-is-difficult-thing-to-change-part-5/#comment-2509454</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[The link matches my experiences perfectly, except that I was fortunate to merely be reading about the awful things happening in Iran. I didn&#039;t have to deal with the mullahs myself.

As for leftists who are aware of what happened in Iran in 1979 and who don&#039;t care, are you thinking of anyone in particular, especially someone who writes a blog or column? The leftists I know or know of either don&#039;t know about it or else do and agree with me that the Iranian regime should never be given any support. Nick Cohen is an example of the latter group, and just about any other leftist I can think of are examples of the former group.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link matches my experiences perfectly, except that I was fortunate to merely be reading about the awful things happening in Iran. I didn&#8217;t have to deal with the mullahs myself.</p>
<p>As for leftists who are aware of what happened in Iran in 1979 and who don&#8217;t care, are you thinking of anyone in particular, especially someone who writes a blog or column? The leftists I know or know of either don&#8217;t know about it or else do and agree with me that the Iranian regime should never be given any support. Nick Cohen is an example of the latter group, and just about any other leftist I can think of are examples of the former group.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2020 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Pepple:

You might want to take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2009/10/13/reading-reading-lolita-in-tehran-and-understanding-revolutions/&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; on leftists and the Iranian revolution.

I will add that I don&#039;t think that current leftists (especially the older ones) are unaware of what happened to leftists in Iran.  They simply don&#039;t care.  They support Iran for different reasons, and don&#039;t think that particular crocodile will ever eat them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Pepple:</p>
<p>You might want to take a look at <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2009/10/13/reading-reading-lolita-in-tehran-and-understanding-revolutions/">this post</a> on leftists and the Iranian revolution.</p>
<p>I will add that I don&#8217;t think that current leftists (especially the older ones) are unaware of what happened to leftists in Iran.  They simply don&#8217;t care.  They support Iran for different reasons, and don&#8217;t think that particular crocodile will ever eat them.</p>
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		By: John Pepple		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/06/30/mind-is-difficult-thing-to-change-part-5/#comment-2509305</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[I only just heard about this series of posts, so I know this is years late. But still I can’t help commenting. During the years from 1975 to 9/11, there were several big political events for me, though only two are relevant for your essay. The first was the destruction of the Iranian left once Khomeini got back to Iran. I had cheered when the Shah left, but within a month I realized that pushing him out was a ghastly mistake. At first, the Muslims who took over Iran were only murdering those who had worked for the Shah, which I didn’t like, but felt was understandable. But then they went after liberals and leftists, and I was appalled. Thousands were murdered, and many others fled. In addition, an extremely reactionary system was set up. It was all so dreadful that after that, every time I encountered references to Muslims or when I occasionally encountered actual Muslims, I would think, “Enemy of the left, enemy of the left, enemy of the left.” I assumed every other leftist felt this way. What, after all, should leftists think of people who murder leftists? Leftists have never liked religious people very much, and the events in Iran certainly reinforced that for me. So, I’ve always thought that my reaction to what happened in Iran in 1979 was the natural leftist response.

The second big event came ten years later, the fatwa against Salman Rushdie. I believed then and still believe that this was a big announcement to the West by fundamentalist Muslims: “WE INTEND TO RULE YOU.” Since the fatwa came from Khomeini, I was under no illusions about what their rule would mean, namely something completely reactionary and the opposite of what any leftist wanted. Plus, we could expect lots of leftists to be murdered. I was surprised and somewhat concerned when the reactions on the part of my fellow leftists were so muted. Why were there no protest marches against the fatwa? Instead, there were protest marches by Muslims against Rushdie.

During the next twelve years, I occasionally would read quotes from Muslims to the effect that they expected to be in control of the West a century hence, and I would think that this was wildly unlikely, but I would also uneasily recall the lack of any protests against the fatwa.

Then came 9/11. My first question was, Who were the terrorists, secular leftists or fundamentalist Muslims? It didn’t take much investigation to determine they were the latter. And at that point, I knew that this was part of a campaign to impose their disgusting Islamic law on us. So, at first I thought that the silver lining to the dreadful attack was that the left would finally be forced to come to grips with the Muslims living among us; they would finally be forced to tell them that no, Muslims weren’t going to be in control a century hence.

But instead, the left went off in its own perverse direction. After a few days of confusion, they rallied around the theory that this was done in response to grievances that Muslims had against the West, America in particular. This was solidified by their question: “Why do you think they hate us?” Never mind that the slaughter of leftists in Iran had nothing to do with the West and America. That was what was so shocking about it, but it was clear that the left in the West had forgotten or never knew about what happened in Iran. Accordingly, no one who had access to the Megaphone brought up Iran. And over a decade later when Obama wanted to do his awful deal with Iran, once again no one who had access to the Megaphone brought up Iran. I kept hoping that someone on the right would ask him, “Why are you being so chummy with a regime that has murdered so many leftists?” But no one did.

My question since 9/11 of liberals and leftists has been, “How could you support your own worst enemies?” I haven’t gotten any kind of answer except that they never knew or had totally forgotten about what happened in Iran in 1979. Everyone would just gape at me in bewilderment when I claimed that Muslims were dangerous to leftists. Various books have come out supporting my view, but either they are not read or those in denial stay in denial.

I now agree with those Muslims who insist they will be in control of the West by the end of this century (though it’s also possible that it will be the Chinese who will be in control). There is no resistance at the top, and those at the top attempt to destroy every bit of resistance that emerges elsewhere. I don’t have much hope that the West will survive. The left just never has told Muslims that no, they aren’t going to be in control at the end of this century. They have practically given them a green light to take over.

Sorry to go on for so long. By the way, I am on the right these days, but I think of myself as neither a conservative nor a libertarian, but as a right-wing egalitarian. I claim that right-wing egalitarians are more sensible than left-wing egalitarians, but that is another topic entirely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only just heard about this series of posts, so I know this is years late. But still I can’t help commenting. During the years from 1975 to 9/11, there were several big political events for me, though only two are relevant for your essay. The first was the destruction of the Iranian left once Khomeini got back to Iran. I had cheered when the Shah left, but within a month I realized that pushing him out was a ghastly mistake. At first, the Muslims who took over Iran were only murdering those who had worked for the Shah, which I didn’t like, but felt was understandable. But then they went after liberals and leftists, and I was appalled. Thousands were murdered, and many others fled. In addition, an extremely reactionary system was set up. It was all so dreadful that after that, every time I encountered references to Muslims or when I occasionally encountered actual Muslims, I would think, “Enemy of the left, enemy of the left, enemy of the left.” I assumed every other leftist felt this way. What, after all, should leftists think of people who murder leftists? Leftists have never liked religious people very much, and the events in Iran certainly reinforced that for me. So, I’ve always thought that my reaction to what happened in Iran in 1979 was the natural leftist response.</p>
<p>The second big event came ten years later, the fatwa against Salman Rushdie. I believed then and still believe that this was a big announcement to the West by fundamentalist Muslims: “WE INTEND TO RULE YOU.” Since the fatwa came from Khomeini, I was under no illusions about what their rule would mean, namely something completely reactionary and the opposite of what any leftist wanted. Plus, we could expect lots of leftists to be murdered. I was surprised and somewhat concerned when the reactions on the part of my fellow leftists were so muted. Why were there no protest marches against the fatwa? Instead, there were protest marches by Muslims against Rushdie.</p>
<p>During the next twelve years, I occasionally would read quotes from Muslims to the effect that they expected to be in control of the West a century hence, and I would think that this was wildly unlikely, but I would also uneasily recall the lack of any protests against the fatwa.</p>
<p>Then came 9/11. My first question was, Who were the terrorists, secular leftists or fundamentalist Muslims? It didn’t take much investigation to determine they were the latter. And at that point, I knew that this was part of a campaign to impose their disgusting Islamic law on us. So, at first I thought that the silver lining to the dreadful attack was that the left would finally be forced to come to grips with the Muslims living among us; they would finally be forced to tell them that no, Muslims weren’t going to be in control a century hence.</p>
<p>But instead, the left went off in its own perverse direction. After a few days of confusion, they rallied around the theory that this was done in response to grievances that Muslims had against the West, America in particular. This was solidified by their question: “Why do you think they hate us?” Never mind that the slaughter of leftists in Iran had nothing to do with the West and America. That was what was so shocking about it, but it was clear that the left in the West had forgotten or never knew about what happened in Iran. Accordingly, no one who had access to the Megaphone brought up Iran. And over a decade later when Obama wanted to do his awful deal with Iran, once again no one who had access to the Megaphone brought up Iran. I kept hoping that someone on the right would ask him, “Why are you being so chummy with a regime that has murdered so many leftists?” But no one did.</p>
<p>My question since 9/11 of liberals and leftists has been, “How could you support your own worst enemies?” I haven’t gotten any kind of answer except that they never knew or had totally forgotten about what happened in Iran in 1979. Everyone would just gape at me in bewilderment when I claimed that Muslims were dangerous to leftists. Various books have come out supporting my view, but either they are not read or those in denial stay in denial.</p>
<p>I now agree with those Muslims who insist they will be in control of the West by the end of this century (though it’s also possible that it will be the Chinese who will be in control). There is no resistance at the top, and those at the top attempt to destroy every bit of resistance that emerges elsewhere. I don’t have much hope that the West will survive. The left just never has told Muslims that no, they aren’t going to be in control at the end of this century. They have practically given them a green light to take over.</p>
<p>Sorry to go on for so long. By the way, I am on the right these days, but I think of myself as neither a conservative nor a libertarian, but as a right-wing egalitarian. I claim that right-wing egalitarians are more sensible than left-wing egalitarians, but that is another topic entirely.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SporkLiftDriver:

I don&#039;t understand your point.

Tsongas was an extremely moderate Democrat.  Today, he&#039;d be a Republican.

I was a very moderate Democrat back when moderate Democrats had a place in the Democratic Party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SporkLiftDriver:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand your point.</p>
<p>Tsongas was an extremely moderate Democrat.  Today, he&#8217;d be a Republican.</p>
<p>I was a very moderate Democrat back when moderate Democrats had a place in the Democratic Party.</p>
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		By: SporkLiftDriver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2020 16:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something you wrote here gave me some hope for the many young people participating in the current insanity.
&quot;I voted for Paul Tsongas in the 1992 primaries&quot;
Now if only we can somehow make it through the next 13 years while they mature into adults.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something you wrote here gave me some hope for the many young people participating in the current insanity.<br />
&#8220;I voted for Paul Tsongas in the 1992 primaries&#8221;<br />
Now if only we can somehow make it through the next 13 years while they mature into adults.</p>
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		By: Today is the 30th Anniversary of the Fall of the Berlin Wall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Today is the 30th Anniversary of the Fall of the Berlin Wall]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] I certainly had not expected to see the event; it caught me unawares. But as I wrote previously: [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I certainly had not expected to see the event; it caught me unawares. But as I wrote previously: [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bobbi:

Ah, but I thank you for helping me correct a typo, even if it is an 8-year-old one.  Good eye!

Fixed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobbi:</p>
<p>Ah, but I thank you for helping me correct a typo, even if it is an 8-year-old one.  Good eye!</p>
<p>Fixed.</p>
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		By: Bobbi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/06/30/mind-is-difficult-thing-to-change-part-5/#comment-613774</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know, I know..a petty thing here especially since the article was written 8 years ago.

but in your section &quot;The Nineties&quot;, Paragraph 4 (Although the details)

&quot;Many people move from crisis to crisis in their lives—survival, whether it be financial, emotional, of physical, then takes the lead and shuts out other considerations to a great degree.&quot;

of physical should be &#039;or&#039; physical..

please feel free to delete this comment.

But I am enjoying reading your blog, I just stumbled upon it today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, I know..a petty thing here especially since the article was written 8 years ago.</p>
<p>but in your section &#8220;The Nineties&#8221;, Paragraph 4 (Although the details)</p>
<p>&#8220;Many people move from crisis to crisis in their lives—survival, whether it be financial, emotional, of physical, then takes the lead and shuts out other considerations to a great degree.&#8221;</p>
<p>of physical should be &#8216;or&#8217; physical..</p>
<p>please feel free to delete this comment.</p>
<p>But I am enjoying reading your blog, I just stumbled upon it today.</p>
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		By: Mike's America		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike's America]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The pear and the tank, sort of a variation on &quot;can&#039;t see the forest for the trees.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Regarding prognostications about the fall of the Soviet Union. I recall articles in US News and World Report in the early 80&#039;s suggesting severe calamity in the Soviet Union due to economic collapse, but dismissed them.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When I was at Columbia University near the end of the decade studying national security topics the Soviet specialists like Legvold were all in thrall of the charm of Gorbachev and perestroika. I don&#039;t recall any of the discussions taking place at that time hinting at the complete dissolution of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I would say that Reagan was like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz in only one sense. He DID throw the bucket of water. But unlike Dorothy, Reagan knew that his policy of throwing cold water on the cold war was the only way to bring about a more positive outcome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pear and the tank, sort of a variation on &#8220;can&#8217;t see the forest for the trees.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding prognostications about the fall of the Soviet Union. I recall articles in US News and World Report in the early 80&#8217;s suggesting severe calamity in the Soviet Union due to economic collapse, but dismissed them.</p>
<p>When I was at Columbia University near the end of the decade studying national security topics the Soviet specialists like Legvold were all in thrall of the charm of Gorbachev and perestroika. I don&#8217;t recall any of the discussions taking place at that time hinting at the complete dissolution of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.</p>
<p>I would say that Reagan was like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz in only one sense. He DID throw the bucket of water. But unlike Dorothy, Reagan knew that his policy of throwing cold water on the cold war was the only way to bring about a more positive outcome.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great essay! I always enjoy finding others who&#039;ve taken a similar intellectual/emotional journey, especially fellow New Englanders, for whom declaring that one is a leper or pedophile is likely to garner more sympathy. I think as much has been going on externally, (e.g., Zell Miller&#039;s point - that the Democratic Party left him while he stayed in place. ) But like two trains on opposite tracks, the internal sense of motion and dislocation is the same whether one or both are moving relative to one another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great essay! I always enjoy finding others who&#8217;ve taken a similar intellectual/emotional journey, especially fellow New Englanders, for whom declaring that one is a leper or pedophile is likely to garner more sympathy. I think as much has been going on externally, (e.g., Zell Miller&#8217;s point &#8211; that the Democratic Party left him while he stayed in place. ) But like two trains on opposite tracks, the internal sense of motion and dislocation is the same whether one or both are moving relative to one another.</p>
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