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		By: steamboat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-919</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steamboat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo-neocon said, &quot;...I don&#039;t think it was done purposely and knowingly. I think it was done selfishly, stupidly, and with reckless disregard for the consequences. That there was malice towards Bush, his administration, and the military is probably also true. But I don&#039;t think Newsweek foresaw the scope of the response in Afghanistan itself.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;Your comment is correct, but also very telling in a PC perspective.  In other words, hurt Bush, hurt the US military, but if they had known it would hurt civilians would they still have gone with the story?  If not, then they are revealed yet again.&lt;BR/&gt;This, as in all your essays, are great posts.  I have given it to my kids and wife to read.  They love it, too.  (I was a willing VN vet.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-neocon said, &#8220;&#8230;I don&#8217;t think it was done purposely and knowingly. I think it was done selfishly, stupidly, and with reckless disregard for the consequences. That there was malice towards Bush, his administration, and the military is probably also true. But I don&#8217;t think Newsweek foresaw the scope of the response in Afghanistan itself.&#8221;<br />Your comment is correct, but also very telling in a PC perspective.  In other words, hurt Bush, hurt the US military, but if they had known it would hurt civilians would they still have gone with the story?  If not, then they are revealed yet again.<br />This, as in all your essays, are great posts.  I have given it to my kids and wife to read.  They love it, too.  (I was a willing VN vet.)</p>
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		By: Michael B		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-920</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Damn Wretchard, brilliant, ruthlessly brilliant.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Now, given the fact the provocateurs and poseurs among this wastreling, self-enamored class aren&#039;t going to willingly comply, the question becomes how to prod them into some type of adherence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn Wretchard, brilliant, ruthlessly brilliant.</p>
<p>Now, given the fact the provocateurs and poseurs among this wastreling, self-enamored class aren&#8217;t going to willingly comply, the question becomes how to prod them into some type of adherence.</p>
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		By: RIchard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-921</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RIchard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wretchard, at Belmont Club, makes a point so good it&#039;s scary.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He says that in the old days, enterprises like manufacturers or mines dumped their waste on the public at large.  The cost of dealing with the waste was shoved off to society in general.  Later, it became legally required for such enterprises to clean up their own messes.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Currently, the media don&#039;t follow this model.  The costs of their excesses are dumped on the public, and they face no costs at all.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Wretchard askes what might happen if the press is treated as an industrial polluter, required to pay, so the rest of us don&#039;t have to, for their excesses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard, at Belmont Club, makes a point so good it&#8217;s scary.</p>
<p>He says that in the old days, enterprises like manufacturers or mines dumped their waste on the public at large.  The cost of dealing with the waste was shoved off to society in general.  Later, it became legally required for such enterprises to clean up their own messes.</p>
<p>Currently, the media don&#8217;t follow this model.  The costs of their excesses are dumped on the public, and they face no costs at all.</p>
<p>Wretchard askes what might happen if the press is treated as an industrial polluter, required to pay, so the rest of us don&#8217;t have to, for their excesses.</p>
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		By: strcpy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-922</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Moreschi,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One would think so, but you only need to look at thier reactions after the fact. They explicitly stated *they did nothing wrong*.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A normal thinking person would step back and and think about it for a moment, at least give them pause. While they may not think what they did was wrong, I don&#039;t thik one would say they did *nothing* wrong.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One of the things I believe about arguing politics, or telling reporters something like this post does (and discussions with quite a few other groups) is that they don&#039;t care. Riots, death, etc isn&#039;t a factor. It&#039;s like telling someone that drinking a lot of water will make you urinate - yea, so? Riots and death? We report what we feel is newsworthy. Notice that &quot;newsworthy&quot; does not include things like truth, unbiased, people aren&#039;t going to be killed, etc. It only has to do with ratings and getting it first. Though to be fair that wasn&#039;t a newsweek quote, but it is pretty accurate of what the general media cares about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Moreschi,</p>
<p>One would think so, but you only need to look at thier reactions after the fact. They explicitly stated *they did nothing wrong*.</p>
<p>A normal thinking person would step back and and think about it for a moment, at least give them pause. While they may not think what they did was wrong, I don&#8217;t thik one would say they did *nothing* wrong.</p>
<p>One of the things I believe about arguing politics, or telling reporters something like this post does (and discussions with quite a few other groups) is that they don&#8217;t care. Riots, death, etc isn&#8217;t a factor. It&#8217;s like telling someone that drinking a lot of water will make you urinate &#8211; yea, so? Riots and death? We report what we feel is newsworthy. Notice that &#8220;newsworthy&#8221; does not include things like truth, unbiased, people aren&#8217;t going to be killed, etc. It only has to do with ratings and getting it first. Though to be fair that wasn&#8217;t a newsweek quote, but it is pretty accurate of what the general media cares about.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-923</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Moreschi.&lt;BR/&gt;You think the results &quot;blood on their hands&quot; bothers them.  You think they see the whole thing as a negative result (outside of being caught).&lt;BR/&gt;On what do you base this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Moreschi.<br />You think the results &#8220;blood on their hands&#8221; bothers them.  You think they see the whole thing as a negative result (outside of being caught).<br />On what do you base this?</p>
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		By: John Moreschi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-924</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Moreschi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Impact can be a real transformer.  I presume that the heinous impact of Isikoff&#039;s article was a shock to him and to Newsweek.  I believe that when you see a very negative result of your actions you can and often are shocked into changing your behavior, and maybe even into changing your point of view.  I have hope, and send some prayers, to a real transformation for Newsweek and the Old, Establishment Media.  They have blood on their hands, and they know it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impact can be a real transformer.  I presume that the heinous impact of Isikoff&#8217;s article was a shock to him and to Newsweek.  I believe that when you see a very negative result of your actions you can and often are shocked into changing your behavior, and maybe even into changing your point of view.  I have hope, and send some prayers, to a real transformation for Newsweek and the Old, Establishment Media.  They have blood on their hands, and they know it.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-925</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Randall, there are.&lt;BR/&gt;Try naming them by their religion.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Just try.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Randall, there are.<br />Try naming them by their religion.</p>
<p>Just try.</p>
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		By: Randall		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-926</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Newsweek seems to have shown poor judgment here, to be sure, but there is a much  MUCH deeper problem than Newsweek&#039;s overzealousness to zing the Bush administration.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The fact that there are millions of people that are so frustrated, repressed, and religiously inflamed that they riot at the sort of provocation that normal adults are expected to take in stride is the real problem, and it won&#039;t go away no matter how careful Newsweek is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newsweek seems to have shown poor judgment here, to be sure, but there is a much  MUCH deeper problem than Newsweek&#8217;s overzealousness to zing the Bush administration.</p>
<p>The fact that there are millions of people that are so frustrated, repressed, and religiously inflamed that they riot at the sort of provocation that normal adults are expected to take in stride is the real problem, and it won&#8217;t go away no matter how careful Newsweek is.</p>
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		By: meander		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-927</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmm,it just occurred to me that based on the strength of the accuracy of the story in question, this magazine should now be spelled Newsweak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm,it just occurred to me that based on the strength of the accuracy of the story in question, this magazine should now be spelled Newsweak.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2005/05/15/press-plays-truth-or-consequences-or/#comment-928</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey asks: &quot;Neo. Can you conceive of experienced journalists being this dumb by accident?&lt;BR/&gt;Being innocent?&lt;BR/&gt;Not knowing the role the media played in Viet Nam?&lt;BR/&gt;Not knowing how it&#039;s done?&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My answer: yes, indeed I can.  My impression of many journalists is that they are simply not deep or critical thinkers.  They are facile writers--which sometimes goes with those characteristics, but often does not--and they are business people running a business.  Like many successful people, they also often have pretty large egos, and are interested in their own power and sense of self-righteousness.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yes indeed, they know the role played by the media in Vietnam.  But &lt;I&gt;they think that role was a noble one&lt;/I&gt;.  A goodly portion of my last two essays in the &quot;A mind is a difficult thing to change&quot; series went towards attempting to explain just how and why they came to feel that way, and to cling to that thought even now in the face of a great deal of evidence to the contrary. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Simply put, many of them (perhaps particularly the older ones, who lived through the Vietnam era as journalists) think of themselves as beleaguered heroes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey asks: &#8220;Neo. Can you conceive of experienced journalists being this dumb by accident?<br />Being innocent?<br />Not knowing the role the media played in Viet Nam?<br />Not knowing how it&#8217;s done?&#8221;</p>
<p>My answer: yes, indeed I can.  My impression of many journalists is that they are simply not deep or critical thinkers.  They are facile writers&#8211;which sometimes goes with those characteristics, but often does not&#8211;and they are business people running a business.  Like many successful people, they also often have pretty large egos, and are interested in their own power and sense of self-righteousness.  </p>
<p>Yes indeed, they know the role played by the media in Vietnam.  But <i>they think that role was a noble one</i>.  A goodly portion of my last two essays in the &#8220;A mind is a difficult thing to change&#8221; series went towards attempting to explain just how and why they came to feel that way, and to cling to that thought even now in the face of a great deal of evidence to the contrary. </p>
<p>Simply put, many of them (perhaps particularly the older ones, who lived through the Vietnam era as journalists) think of themselves as beleaguered heroes.</p>
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